On Wed, 14 Aug 2013 03:38:56 +0000, , Karl LWuensch wrote:
It stopped having any noticeable effect on me, many years ago.
Is this unusual?  How does this happen?
Cheers,

Dear Karl,

I don't know how to say this delicately so I'll just say it straight:
it is God's punishment for the evil and wicked behavior of
North Carolina (NC) both past and present.  Yes, whatever
euphoric or other positive effects marijuana might have had on
residents of NC have been suspended for the sins that they
and their ancestors have committed.  Why would God choose
to eliminate the positive effects of marijuana as His/Her/It's
punishment?  I don't know but God does work in mysterious
ways.  As for them there sins, allow me to elucidate:

(1) Eugenics:  forced sterilization and other eugenics practices
were popular in the U.S. before WWII (just ask Chris Green),
some saying that this was the inspiration for the Nazi laws
for increasing the "fitness" of the German people.  For the role
that North Carolina played, see this article from the Salon website:
http://www.salon.com/2013/08/11/north_carolinas_shocking_history_of_sterilization/

Briefly quoting from the article:

|North Carolina's first sterilization law was recorded in 1919,
|but sterilizations did not begin until 1929, after the passage of
|Buck v. Bell, when one vasectomy, one castration, and one
|ovariectomy were performed (the state's law was unusual in
|allowing castrations for "therapeutic treatment"). ...
|By July 1935, the state had sterilized 223 men and women,
|most of them residents of state-run institutions.
(It is unclear whether "state-run institutions" included state
colleges).

It should be noted that NC was NOT the first to propose a
eugenics sterilization law; that honor goes to Indiana who
passed a law in 1907.  But don't think that Indiana is getting
away scot free: it is being published by having Republican
governors and putting some of them in charge of the state's
major universities; see:
http://socialistworker.org/2013/08/14/whats-wrong-with-indiana
and
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2013/07/17/e-mails-reveal-censorship-efforts-by-mitch-daniels-as-indiana-governor/

But let's get back to NC's activities that have robbed their
residents of marijuana's positive effects.

(2) Voter Suppression: current Governor Pat McCrory has just
signed a state law that will restrict non-Republicans from voting.
For background on this see:
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/North_Carolina_Joins_The_Parade
Even the Catholics are upset by it; see:
http://ncronline.org/blogs/distinctly-catholic/shame-north-carolina
These anti-democracy tendencies cannot go unpunished.

(3) Arresting Riff-Raff:  By riff-raff I don't mean ordinary people
but the rapper Riff Raff.  Riff Raff is from Houston, Texas and as
everyone knows: "You don't mess with Texas".  See:
http://blog.chron.com/hottopics/2013/08/riff-raff-arrested-in-north-carolina/

(4) Anti-Sharia Law Laws:  NC has recently passed a law that would
prevent Sharia or Islamic law from being imposed on North Carolina. See:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/09/north-carolina-your-anti-sharia-law-takes-the-cake.html

Quoting from the Daily Beast article:

|Why would Republicans in North Carolina feel the need to prevent
|a threat they admit isn't real?  Even the North Carolina Bar Association
|called the legislation unnecessary.
|
|Maybe looking at the legislative history of this proposed bill will give
|you some insight. The Republican-controlled House's version also
|included provisions to restrict a woman's right to an abortion. So in the
|very same breath these Republicans were trying to prevent Islamic law
|from being imposed, they were trying to impose Christian law.
|
|No surprise, then, that they fear Muslims will be trying to impose their
|own religious-based laws-it's exactly what these Republicans are
|trying to do.

There is an important note:

|What's interesting about the proposed North Carolina law is that it
|doesn't mention the word Islam or Sharia. Why? Likely because a
|law passed a few years ago in Oklahoma that specifically singled out
|banning Islamic law was struck down by the federal courts.

So, those crafty, cunning, and crazy Republicans used the term "foreign
law" instead of Islamic law but we all know what is really meant *wink-wink*.
This does raise some interesting questions such as "Does North Carolina
now have to remove all parts of its state law that are based on English
legal traditions as well as that of other European and American (i.e.,
Canadian, Mexican, South Amereican) traditions?  The article ends
by pointing out that about 10% of the Africans brought to America
in the slave trade and that President Thomas Jefferson held an iftar
(end of fasting at nightfall during Ramadan; for more details see:
http://www.pbs.org/opb/historydetectives/feature/islam-in-america/  )

(5) Guns: Well, I guess everyone knows that one can't be a real
SAS programmer unless one is packing serious heat (SAS's
world headquarters are in Cary, NC). And the companies in the
Research Triangle Park (RTP) know that a worker with a gun
is a happy worker (for companies in RTP see:
http://www.rtp.org/about-rtp/rtp-companies

Among the companies in RTP is the national honor society Sigma Xi.
I guess after all those years in New Haven, the society's administrators
feel better about being able to shoot first.

I point out these things because the gun company Sturm Ruger has
decided to move its manufacturing factory from Southport, Connecticut,
to Raleigh, N.C.  It appears that the gun company did like the
atmosphere in Connecticut after the December 14, 2012 shooting at
Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown.  But NC knows how
to make a gun maker feel right at home; see:
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/56729531-79/gun-ruger-sturm-connecticut.html.csp

And, for now, last but not least, perhaps the most disturbing activity
that has brought the wrath of you-know-who on NC:

(6) Pet Flipping: this refers to the stealing of pets and then selling them. See:
http://www.wnct.com/story/23128449/dog-stealing-trend-on-the-rise-in-eastern-north-carolina
I note that this activity seems to be taking place in eastern NC.  Hmmm,
who do we know from eastern NC? ;-)

-Mike Palij
New York University at Sodom on Hudson
m...@nyu.edu

-----Original Message-----
On Thu, 08 Aug 2013 07:54:14 -0700, Carol DeVolder wrote:
I wonder what impact this more or less open letter will have:
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/08/health/gupta-changed-mind-marijuana/

I've read Gupta's article and the follow-up posts on Tips and I'd like to make a couple of points:

(1) Here is the text of what constitutes a Schedule I narcotic according to the DEA:

|Schedule I
|
|Schedule I drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with no
|currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse. Schedule
|I drugs are the most dangerous drugs of all the drug schedules with
|potentially severe psychological or physical dependence. Some examples
|of Schedule I drugs are:
|
|heroin, lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), marijuana (cannabis),
|3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (ecstasy), methaqualone, and peyote

Anyone who has any experience with marijuana will appreciate the absurdity of having it identified as a Schedule I drug. Why alcohol is not listed here is the real question. Oh, and cocaine, methamphetamine (for "Breaking Bad" fans), oxycodone/OxyContin, adderall, and fentanyl are all Schedule II, that is, are considered less dangerous drugs than marijuana. Here is the DEA page:
http://www.justice.gov/dea/druginfo/ds.shtml

(2) Back when I was in graduate school at Stony Brook, the famed psychiatrist Max Fink (at SB's Med School's Psychiatry Dept) gave a colloquium in the psychology department on the effect of marijuana on cognitive processes (I forget what specifically he had done but a Google Scholar search for "Max Fink" and marijuana gets a lot of hits from the 1960s and 1970s. I spoke to Fink after his presentation and asked him if he had considered studying the effects of marijuana use on priming effects on the lexical decision task (Roger Schvaneveldt who was one of the original researchers on this topic was still at Stony Brook at this time). Fink said it would be an interesting thing to do but it was a great big pain in the butt getting funding for any research involving marijuana and if you did get funding, there were all sorts of regulations that one had to follow that really discouraged people from using it in research. He said the really foolish and scary thing was that there was! research using new drugs that was far easier to get permission to do and with far less oversight and regulations but the drugs could be far more dangerous than marijuana (how dangerous was unknown but if one checks the side effects/adverse effects of drugs in PDR or one's favorite drug reference, one should not be surprised to see how often death, stroke, cardiac arrest, etc., are listed as side effects).

Others have pointed out that U.S. legal policies concerning drugs were not rational, did not really rely upon scientific data, and which drugs were considered "safe" and which were considered "dangerous" often involved sociocultural and racial considerations. Draw your own conclusion about the race-drug connection.

There is an entry on Fink on Wikipedia and it is mostly concerned with his work with ECT/Electroshock which, as we all know, is far safer than using marijuana. ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Fink

For people considering a classroom exercise on the Pro's and Cons of marijuana for medicinal purposes, see the following handout:
Http://sciencecases.lib.buffalo.edu/cs/files/marijuana_notes.pdf

The U.S. can benefit from a more rational drug policy and legislation.
That it took this long for Sanjay Gupta to realize this about marijuana is disappointing because that means that there are probably many more physicians who have some unsubstantiated beliefs about pot but what else is new?

-Mike Palij
New York University
m...@nyu.edu



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