I'm hungry. 

Paul

On Aug 14, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Wuensch, Karl L wrote:

>       As much as Mike's hypothesis appeals to me, the weed seems to affect 
> others here.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Karl L. Wuensch
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Palij [mailto:m...@nyu.edu] 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 9:31 AM
> To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
> Cc: Michael Palij
> Subject: Re:[tips] Why my mind no longer changes on weed?
> 
> On Wed, 14 Aug 2013 03:38:56 +0000, , Karl LWuensch wrote:
>> It stopped having any noticeable effect on me, many years ago.
>> Is this unusual?  How does this happen?
>> Cheers,
> 
> Dear Karl,
> 
> I don't know how to say this delicately so I'll just say it straight:
> it is God's punishment for the evil and wicked behavior of North Carolina 
> (NC) both past and present.  Yes, whatever euphoric or other positive effects 
> marijuana might have had on residents of NC have been suspended for the sins 
> that they and their ancestors have committed.  Why would God choose to 
> eliminate the positive effects of marijuana as His/Her/It's punishment?  I 
> don't know but God does work in mysterious ways.  As for them there sins, 
> allow me to elucidate:
> 
> (1) Eugenics:  forced sterilization and other eugenics practices were popular 
> in the U.S. before WWII (just ask Chris Green), some saying that this was the 
> inspiration for the Nazi laws for increasing the "fitness" of the German 
> people.  For the role that North Carolina played, see this article from the 
> Salon website:
> http://www.salon.com/2013/08/11/north_carolinas_shocking_history_of_sterilization/
> 
> Briefly quoting from the article:
> 
> |North Carolina's first sterilization law was recorded in 1919, but 
> |sterilizations did not begin until 1929, after the passage of Buck v. 
> |Bell, when one vasectomy, one castration, and one ovariectomy were 
> |performed (the state's law was unusual in allowing castrations for 
> |"therapeutic treatment"). ...
> |By July 1935, the state had sterilized 223 men and women, most of them 
> |residents of state-run institutions.
> (It is unclear whether "state-run institutions" included state colleges).
> 
> It should be noted that NC was NOT the first to propose a eugenics 
> sterilization law; that honor goes to Indiana who passed a law in 1907.  But 
> don't think that Indiana is getting away scot free: it is being published by 
> having Republican governors and putting some of them in charge of the state's 
> major universities; see:
> http://socialistworker.org/2013/08/14/whats-wrong-with-indiana
> and
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2013/07/17/e-mails-reveal-censorship-efforts-by-mitch-daniels-as-indiana-governor/
> 
> But let's get back to NC's activities that have robbed their residents of 
> marijuana's positive effects.
> 
> (2) Voter Suppression: current Governor Pat McCrory has just signed a state 
> law that will restrict non-Republicans from voting.
> For background on this see:
> http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/North_Carolina_Joins_The_Parade
> Even the Catholics are upset by it; see:
> http://ncronline.org/blogs/distinctly-catholic/shame-north-carolina
> These anti-democracy tendencies cannot go unpunished.
> 
> (3) Arresting Riff-Raff:  By riff-raff I don't mean ordinary people but the 
> rapper Riff Raff.  Riff Raff is from Houston, Texas and as everyone knows: 
> "You don't mess with Texas".  See:
> http://blog.chron.com/hottopics/2013/08/riff-raff-arrested-in-north-carolina/
> 
> (4) Anti-Sharia Law Laws:  NC has recently passed a law that would prevent 
> Sharia or Islamic law from being imposed on North Carolina. See:
> http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/09/north-carolina-your-anti-sharia-law-takes-the-cake.html
> 
> Quoting from the Daily Beast article:
> 
> |Why would Republicans in North Carolina feel the need to prevent a 
> |threat they admit isn't real?  Even the North Carolina Bar Association 
> |called the legislation unnecessary.
> |
> |Maybe looking at the legislative history of this proposed bill will 
> |give you some insight. The Republican-controlled House's version also 
> |included provisions to restrict a woman's right to an abortion. So in 
> |the very same breath these Republicans were trying to prevent Islamic 
> |law from being imposed, they were trying to impose Christian law.
> |
> |No surprise, then, that they fear Muslims will be trying to impose 
> |their own religious-based laws-it's exactly what these Republicans are 
> |trying to do.
> 
> There is an important note:
> 
> |What's interesting about the proposed North Carolina law is that it 
> |doesn't mention the word Islam or Sharia. Why? Likely because a law 
> |passed a few years ago in Oklahoma that specifically singled out 
> |banning Islamic law was struck down by the federal courts.
> 
> So, those crafty, cunning, and crazy Republicans used the term "foreign law" 
> instead of Islamic law but we all know what is really meant *wink-wink*.
> This does raise some interesting questions such as "Does North Carolina now 
> have to remove all parts of its state law that are based on English legal 
> traditions as well as that of other European and American (i.e., Canadian, 
> Mexican, South Amereican) traditions?  The article ends by pointing out that 
> about 10% of the Africans brought to America in the slave trade and that 
> President Thomas Jefferson held an iftar (end of fasting at nightfall during 
> Ramadan; for more details see:
> http://www.pbs.org/opb/historydetectives/feature/islam-in-america/  )
> 
> (5) Guns: Well, I guess everyone knows that one can't be a real SAS 
> programmer unless one is packing serious heat (SAS's world headquarters are 
> in Cary, NC). And the companies in the Research Triangle Park (RTP) know that 
> a worker with a gun is a happy worker (for companies in RTP see:
> http://www.rtp.org/about-rtp/rtp-companies
> 
> Among the companies in RTP is the national honor society Sigma Xi.
> I guess after all those years in New Haven, the society's administrators feel 
> better about being able to shoot first.
> 
> I point out these things because the gun company Sturm Ruger has decided to 
> move its manufacturing factory from Southport, Connecticut, to Raleigh, N.C.  
> It appears that the gun company did like the atmosphere in Connecticut after 
> the December 14, 2012 shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown.  
> But NC knows how to make a gun maker feel right at home; see:
> http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/56729531-79/gun-ruger-sturm-connecticut.html.csp
> 
> And, for now, last but not least, perhaps the most disturbing activity that 
> has brought the wrath of you-know-who on NC:
> 
> (6) Pet Flipping: this refers to the stealing of pets and then selling them. 
> See:
> http://www.wnct.com/story/23128449/dog-stealing-trend-on-the-rise-in-eastern-north-carolina
> I note that this activity seems to be taking place in eastern NC.  Hmmm, who 
> do we know from eastern NC? ;-)
> 
> -Mike Palij
> New York University at Sodom on Hudson
> m...@nyu.edu
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> On Thu, 08 Aug 2013 07:54:14 -0700, Carol DeVolder wrote:
>>> I wonder what impact this more or less open letter will have:
>>> 
>>> http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/08/health/gupta-changed-mind-marijuana/
>> 
>> I've read Gupta's article and the follow-up posts on Tips and I'd like 
>> to make a couple of points:
>> 
>> (1) Here is the text of what constitutes a Schedule I narcotic 
>> according to the DEA:
>> 
>> |Schedule I
>> |
>> |Schedule I drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with 
>> |no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse. 
>> |Schedule I drugs are the most dangerous drugs of all the drug 
>> |schedules with potentially severe psychological or physical 
>> |dependence. Some examples of Schedule I drugs are:
>> |
>> |heroin, lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), marijuana (cannabis), 
>> |3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (ecstasy), methaqualone, and peyote
>> 
>> Anyone who has any experience with marijuana will appreciate the 
>> absurdity of having it identified as a Schedule I drug.  Why alcohol 
>> is not listed here is the real question.  Oh, and cocaine, 
>> methamphetamine (for "Breaking Bad" fans), oxycodone/OxyContin, 
>> adderall, and fentanyl are all Schedule II, that is, are considered less 
>> dangerous drugs than marijuana.
>> Here is the DEA page:
>> http://www.justice.gov/dea/druginfo/ds.shtml
>> 
>> (2) Back when I was in graduate school at Stony Brook, the famed 
>> psychiatrist Max Fink (at SB's Med School's Psychiatry Dept) gave a 
>> colloquium in the psychology department on the effect of marijuana on 
>> cognitive processes (I forget what specifically he had done but a 
>> Google Scholar search for "Max Fink" and marijuana gets a lot of hits 
>> from the 1960s and 1970s.  I spoke to Fink after his presentation and 
>> asked him if he had considered studying the effects of marijuana use 
>> on priming effects on the lexical decision task (Roger Schvaneveldt 
>> who was one of the original researchers on this topic was still at Stony 
>> Brook at this time).
>> Fink said it would be an interesting thing to do but it was a great 
>> big pain in the butt getting funding for any research involving 
>> marijuana and if you did get funding, there were all sorts of 
>> regulations that one had to follow that really discouraged people from 
>> using it in research.  He said the really foolish and scary thing was that 
>> there was!
>> research using new drugs that was far easier to get permission to do 
>> and with far less oversight and regulations but the drugs could be far 
>> more dangerous than marijuana (how dangerous was unknown but if one 
>> checks the side effects/adverse effects of drugs in PDR or one's 
>> favorite drug reference, one should not be surprised to see how often 
>> death, stroke, cardiac arrest, etc., are listed as side effects).
>> 
>> Others have pointed out that U.S. legal policies concerning drugs were 
>> not rational, did not really rely upon scientific data, and which 
>> drugs were considered "safe" and which were considered "dangerous" 
>> often involved sociocultural and racial considerations.  Draw your own 
>> conclusion about the race-drug connection.
>> 
>> There is an entry on Fink on Wikipedia and it is mostly concerned with 
>> his work with ECT/Electroshock which, as we all know, is far safer 
>> than using marijuana. ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Fink
>> 
>> For people considering a classroom exercise on the Pro's and Cons of 
>> marijuana for medicinal purposes, see the following handout:
>> Http://sciencecases.lib.buffalo.edu/cs/files/marijuana_notes.pdf
>> 
>> The U.S. can benefit from a more rational drug policy and legislation.
>> That it took this long for Sanjay Gupta to realize this about 
>> marijuana is disappointing because that means that there are probably 
>> many more physicians who have some unsubstantiated beliefs about pot 
>> but what else is new?
>> 
>> -Mike Palij
>> New York University
>> m...@nyu.edu
>> 
>> 
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