Miguel, I didn't even get into the question of occupational vs. "real" education. For the sake of argument, I accepted that occupational training was the primary goal of higher ed. Even under that assumption, I predict this plan will fail in the ways I outlined.
Now let's talk about the (de-)merits of that vision of higher ed. Chris ----- Christopher D. Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M6C 1G4 Canada [email protected] On Aug 22, 2013, at 2:20 PM, MiguelRoig <[email protected]> wrote: > This exchange reminds me of a recent column by David Brooks of the NY Times > in which he argues that the mission of a university is to produce practical > knowledge and technical knowledge, > http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/05/opinion/Brooks-The-Practical-University.html. > Those academics whose letters were published in response to Brooks' column > revealed an obvious difference of opinion: > http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/09/opinion/what-is-the-mission-of-a-university.html. > > Miguel > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christopher Green" <[email protected]> > To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 12:51:47 PM > Subject: Re: [tips] Obama on Federal Support of Education > > > > > > > > Alas, we have already seen how this goes -- a classic case of unintended > consequences. > > They think that the new rating system will make schools (i.e., professors) > work even harder (because, it is assumed, we have been slacking off somehow > on these issues... ) to ensure that (the same pool of students we currently > have) graduate, get employed, and pay off their loans. What in fact will > happen (this is a prediction; write it down and check back in five years), > however, is that schools will become (even more) averse to admitting "risky" > students (those who, because of their socio-economic backgrounds, are > historically less likely to graduate, get employed, and pay back their loans) > because they endanger the school's future "rating." > > That is to say, rather than getting an education more focused on their > employment prospects (the intent), this new system will instead just make it > even MORE difficult for those who are already poor and who were ill-served by > the public school system to get even the chance they have at present to > obtain the education they need to get ahead in life. It is a recipe for > creating an (even larger) under-educated, impoverished underclass of > minimum-wage workers, trapped at the station where they were born, with even > fewer realistic pathways up and out. > > It is a shame. > > Chris > --- > Christopher D. Green > Department of Psychology > York University > Toronto, ON M3J 1P3 > Canada > > [email protected] > http://www.yorku.ca/christo/ > ========================= > > On 2013-08-22, at 11:53 AM, Wuensch, Karl L wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > “It is time to stop subsidizing schools that are not producing good results.” > J > “Good results” means graduation, employment, and pay-back of loans. > I expect universities will be evaluating departments in the same way. Who > pays her loans back more reliably – the graduate with a degree in management > information systems or the one with a degree in psychology? > Cheers, > > <image001.jpg> > Karl L. Wuensch, Professor and ECU Scholar/Teacher, Dept. of Psychology > East Carolina University, Greenville NC 27858-4353, USA, Earth > Voice: 252-328-9420 Fax: 252-328-6283 > http://core.ecu.edu/psyc/wuenschk/klw.htm > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: [email protected] . > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62bd92&n=T&l=tips&o=27245 > > (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) > or send a blank email to > leave-27245-430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62b...@fsulist.frostburg.edu > > > > > > > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: [email protected] . > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=466839.0421d1005414eed82340aa280e7ce629&n=T&l=tips&o=27246 > > (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) > or send a blank email to > leave-27246-466839.0421d1005414eed82340aa280e7ce...@fsulist.frostburg.edu > > > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: [email protected]. > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62bd92&n=T&l=tips&o=27249 > or send a blank email to > leave-27249-430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62b...@fsulist.frostburg.edu > --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: [email protected]. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=27251 or send a blank email to leave-27251-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
