It removed a consequence that wasn't there? I met a man who wasn't there. He wasn't there again today. I wish, I wish he'd go away.
On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Rick Froman <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, I don't think it would be technically accurate to say that Pavlov and > his colleagues were confusing Operant and Classical Conditioning, given > that the two had not yet been distinguished at that point. You might say > they were generalizing types of conditioning that had not yet been > discriminated. From our more enlightened vantage point :) we can now see > the difference but they didn't refer to it as Pavlovian or Classical > Conditioning because there was just "conditioning" [probably incorrectly > translated from Russian] which, as they noted on one of the cards in the > film, that conditioned and unconditioned reflexes were "the basis of > behavior not only in animals but also in man". So there were only > conditioned and unconditioned reflexes. It was only later when > Instrumental/Operant conditioning was identified that a distinction was > made between "Instrumental/Operant" and "Classical/Pavlovian" conditioning. > > In another example, Bekhterev originally saw avoidance learning > (specifically, removing your finger from a shock plate when a signal > occurred that predicted shock) as a type of association reflex (he wouldn't > have called it Pavlovian conditioning since he didn't care much for Pavlov > or his methods) but later, the phenomenon of avoidance was identified as a > type of operant conditioning since the behavior operates on the environment > to modify the consequences (removing your finger from the shock pad after > hearing the signal meant that the person didn't experience the shock). > > Rick > > Dr. Rick Froman > Professor of Psychology > Box 3519 > John Brown University > 2000 W. University Siloam Springs, AR 72761 > [email protected] > (479) 524-7295 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffry Ricker, Ph.D. [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 2:00 PM > To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) < > [email protected]> > Subject: Re: [tips] Pavlovian "Operant" Conditioning? > > > On Oct 21, 2015, at 10:29 AM, Michael Scoles <[email protected]> wrote: > > > What would happen if the child did not open his mouth? The problem > seems similar to distinguishing between voluntary and involuntary > (conditioned) eyeblinks in humans. > > Yes, I agree. I had to get to class, so I couldn't include some other > thoughts I had at the time. > > But the distinction seems to involve more than just that between > "classical" and operant conditioning. And the boy would have to know what a > cookie was and that he had to open his mouth to eat the cookie before he > could ever be reinforced for opening his mouth. > > One other thing: the term "reinforcement" was used in the film. It would > have had to be translated into English from the original Russian subtitles, > which makes me wonder if the term could have been translated in different > ways. > > Jeff > > -- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Jeffry Ricker, Ph.D. > Professor of Psychology > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Social/Behavioral Sciences > Scottsdale Community College > 9000 E. Chaparral Road > Scottsdale, AZ 85256-2626 > Office: SB-123 > Fax: (480) 423-6298 > Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DrJeffryRicker/timeline/ > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/pub/jeffry-ricker/3b/511/438 > > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: [email protected]. > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13039.37a56d458b5e856d05bcfb3322db5f8a&n=T&l=tips&o=47073 > or send a blank email to > leave-47073-13039.37a56d458b5e856d05bcfb3322db5...@fsulist.frostburg.edu > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: [email protected]. > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=357701.a768e95c4963686e69b47febf8aa657a&n=T&l=tips&o=47075 > or send a blank email to > leave-47075-357701.a768e95c4963686e69b47febf8aa6...@fsulist.frostburg.edu > -- Michael T. Scoles, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Psychology & Counseling University of Central Arkansas Conway, AR 72035 501-450-5418 --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: [email protected]. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=47078 or send a blank email to leave-47078-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
