Hi Eric, > First, this isn't some kind of binding vote. It's the chairs taking the > temperature > of the room to inform their behavior. The chairs are chartered to moderate > the group in S 6.1, and I don't take the manner they do so as being a subject > of WG consensus. Rather, it is under the supervision of the AD.
I’d like to disclose that one potential negative impact of using extremely strong wording such as “draconian” is that I’m now receiving extremely aggressive and abusive emails off-list from some senior IETF participants who have repeatedly expressed their belief that this vote pertained to me personally, and indicates that (I quote) “the working group has clearly voted that they don't want to hear from [me].” Other things I’ve received: - “[I] keep keep keep wasting our time with off-topic nonsense” - "Continuing to harangue us does [me] no good at all unless [I am] just doing it to satisfy your ego” I’m sharing this purely in order to express the dangers of enabling votes with such language as “draconian moderation”, even if they’re nonbinding and just are intended to read the temperature of the room as you say. Even in such a non-official context, it’s important to watch out for the kind of language that chairs use, because I believe that it played a hand in enabling such misconduct and intimidation towards me off-list, and I suspect towards others that are in the minority position. Please take this into consideration. Thank you, Nadim Kobeissi Symbolic Software • https://symbolic.software > On 23 Jul 2026, at 1:19 PM, Eric Rescorla <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2026 at 3:25 AM Nadim Kobeissi <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >>> I think people largely understood this to mean that the chairs should be >>> moderating more actively. >> >> See, the problem is that this isn’t what will matter for the record. What >> matters for the record is (a) the wording of the poll (b) the results of the >> vote. > > I think this reflects a number of misconceptions about how the process works. > > First, this isn't some kind of binding vote. It's the chairs taking the > temperature > of the room to inform their behavior. The chairs are chartered to moderate > the group in S 6.1, and I don't take the manner they do so as being a subject > of WG consensus. Rather, it is under the supervision of the AD. > > Second, decisions in fact do get read in context because the poll questions > have to fit in a short field and are often generated on the fly. If the chairs > try to appeal to some poll results on the basis of a close reading of the > wording it would totally be within bounds for someone to refer to the > transcript > or the recording. > > > >> I think that if people were misled to support a poll where the chairs got an >> overwhelming positive vote because they were told “oh, we’ll write draconian >> in the poll text but actually we just mean “more active””, then this is a >> serious mistake and those who voted on the poll were likely misled. > > I don't think people were mislead. Moreover, even if we suppose that people > were mislead and voted for very harsh moderation, then this would a fortiori > give the chairs a license to apply less harsh moderation. > > >> If that was the intended meaning and if everyone understood that “in >> context”, then why didn’t the chairs propose the poll as “Should chairs be >> more active in doing moderation”? > > I'm not the chairs so I can't speak for their motivations, but I assume that > this > was on the slide and they just carried it over into the poll. There were > plenty > of opportunities for people to argue about the wording on the poll, so I don't > think it's unclear. > >>> I would suggest you watch the recording so you can see the discussion in >>> context. >> >> Repeating my comments on “context” in the above paragraph, I also note that >> I don’t know where to find the recording. > > It's linked off the agenda page. I suspect your favorite search engine or AI > could tell you where. > > >> It’s not on the IETF YouTube channel (yet), which is where last year’s >> recording was. > > Yes, the recordings take some time to be posted, on the order of a few hours. > > > -Ekr >
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