Tim Legant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I have at least two friends whose only address is at Yahoo.  Neither
> would be able to send mail to me in either case (drop or bounce),
> unless I had pre-whitelisted them.  I have, of course, but other
> potential correspondents in the same situation wouldn't be able to
> get through.

That's a risk I'm willing to take.  These free mail sources aren't
acting responsibly, so I have no choice but to take matters into my
own hands.  The face of Internet e-mail is a battlefield these days;
there isn't any room or any sympathy for irresponsible parties.

I don't think I know anyone who doesn't have some other e-mail address
(ISP, school, work, etc.) anyway.

> Yup, that would help.  I wonder if that's why so many spammers spoof
> a yahoo.com address.

Probably.  It's sort of mind boggling that Yahoo hasn't done something
about this.  I can't imagine how much spam-related traffic they have
to deal with simply because their SMTP server doesn't reveal bogus
addresses.

This is one of those features (flaws) in qmail that really shows its
age.  Back in the 90's, spam wasn't nearly as severe of a problem as
it is now, so the fact that you couldn't verify an address in SMTP
didn't present the same gaping hole that it does now.

> Out of nearly 800 messages in my pending directory, only 58 have a
> Hotmail Return-Path while 3 times that many have a Yahoo
> Return-Path.  Interesting.  I'm curious if you see a similar ratio
> in the vast pile of junk you collect (vaster than mine, anyhow).

My junk pile isn't a big as it used to be for a couple of reasons:

1) smtp-check-sender drops lots of spam from bogus addresses.

2) I'm now bouncing mail to expired dated addresses, so there isn't
   any duplicate spam in my queue.

I now have only 625 messages in my pending queue (14 day timeout).
Out of those however, a whopping 20% are from Yahoo.  Less than 2% are
from Hotmail.  So, I'm seeing a very similar ratio.

Now that I'm not accepting mail from unknown Yahoo addresses, I expect
my pending queue to shrink even more.  If enough sites start
boycotting Yahoo like this, maybe it'll entice them to shape up.
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