Howdy,

>       And Yoav, you did say that in almost 10 years no one complains about
>it, but as i know there are many people facing this issue all over internet
>also. My neibour here has a windows 2000, he will make some tests with its
>command line.

I misunderstood your problem when I said no one else has it.  What you describe is a 
common issue.  It used to be more common before people used Ant and IDEs, when they 
did more stuff on the command line.  I just haven't compiled anything in a DOS window 
for ages, so I forgot ;)

Yoav Shapira

>
>> ----------
>> De:  Shapira, Yoav[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Responder:   Tomcat Users List
>> Enviada:     sexta-feira, 12 de dezembro de 2003 14:41
>> Para:        Tomcat Users List
>> Assunto:     RE: new JVM feature, just an idea
>>
>>
>> Howdy,
>> I see -- thanks for the example.
>>
>> You do realize Ant adds a lot of these jars for you automatically to the
>> classpath, right?  You don't need to add anything in ANT_HOME/lib, as
>> that's automatically included.  Furthermore, if you're using JDK 1.4 or
>> later, you can remove a bunch of other jars from the path as they're
>> included in the JDK, e.g. JAXP, Crimson, JDBC 2.0 extensions.  Finally,
>> you have a number of duplicates, e.g. the XML APIs, repeated a number of
>> times in the path.
>>
>> Yoav Shapira
>> Millennium ChemInformatics
>>
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Edson Alves Pereira [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:35 PM
>> >To: 'Tomcat Users List'
>> >Subject: RE: new JVM feature, just an idea
>> >
>> >    This mainly it happen with ant, here a snapshot of it:
>> >
>> >D:\home\edson>set
>> >LOCALCLASSPATH=d:\usr\local\jakarta\apache-ant-1.5.4\lib\xmlta
>> >sk.jar;d:\usr\local\jakarta\apache-ant-1.5.4\lib\xml-
>> >apis.jar;d:\usr\local\j
>> >akar
>> >ta\apache-ant-1.5.4\lib\xercesImpl.jar;d:\usr\local\jakarta\apache-ant-
>> >1.5.4
>> >\lib
>> >\optional.jar;d:\usr\local\jakarta\apache-ant-
>> >1.5.4\lib\ant.jar;d:\arquiv~1\
>> >j2sd
>> >k1.4.1_01\commapi\comm.jar;d:\usr\local\skinlf-
>> >1.2.4\lib\skinregion.jar;d:\u
>> >sr\l
>> >ocal\skinlf-1.2.4\lib\skinlf.jar;d:\usr\local\ecs-1.4.1\lib\xerces-
>> >1.2.2.jar
>> >;d:\
>> >usr\local\ecs-1.4.1\lib\jakarta-regexp-1.2.jar;d:\usr\local\ecs-
>1.4.1\ecs
>> -
>> >1.
>> >4.1.
>>
>>jar;d:\usr\local\java_cup\java_cup.jar;d:\usr\local\hsqldb_v.1.61\lib\hsq
>> ld
>> >b
>> >.jar
>> >;d:\usr\local\junit3.7\junit.jar;d:\usr\local\jakarta\apache-ant-
>> >1.5.4\lib\x
>> >mlta
>> >sk.jar;d:\usr\local\jakarta\apache-ant-1.5.4\lib\xml-
>> >apis.jar;d:\usr\local\j
>> >akar
>> >ta\apache-ant-1.5.4\lib\xercesImpl.jar;d:\usr\local\jakarta\apache-ant-
>> >1.5.4
>> >\lib
>> >\optional.jar;d:\usr\local\jakarta\apache-ant-
>> >1.5.4\lib\ant.jar;d:\desenv\os
>> >ctrl
>>
>>_lib\classes;d:\desenv\osctrl\classes;d:\desenv\pannet\src\servlets\ifina
>> nc
>> >e
>> >\cla
>>
>>sses;d:\desenv\pannet\src\servlets\intranet\classes;d:\desenv\pannet\src\
>> se
>> >r
>> >vlet
>>
>>s\panfinance\classes;d:\desenv\pannet\src\servlets\base\classes;d:\desenv
>> \p
>> >a
>> >nnet
>> >\java-lib\jasper-runtime.jar;d:\desenv\pannet\java-lib\jasper-
>> >compiler.jar;d
>> >:\de
>> >senv\pannet\java-lib\jdbc2_0-stdext.jar;d:\desenv\pannet\java-
>> >lib\tinySQL.ja
>> >r;d:
>> >\desenv\pannet\java-lib\servlet.jar;d:\desenv\pannet\java-
>> >lib\ojdbc14.jar;d:
>> >\des
>> >env\pannet\java-lib\shell_term.jar;d:\desenv\pannet\java-
>> >lib\crimson.jar;d:\
>> >dese
>> >nv\pannet\java-lib\jconcept.zip;d:\desenv\pannet\java-
>> >lib\com.zip;d:\desenv\
>> >pann
>> >et\java-lib\acme.zip;d:\desenv\pannet\java-
>> >lib\xBaseJ.jar;d:\desenv\pannet\j
>> >ava-
>> >lib\oreilly.jar;d:\desenv\pannet\java-
>lib\mail.jar;d:\desenv\pannet\java-
>> >lib
>> >\jst
>> >yle.jar;d:\desenv\pannet\java-lib\jndi.jar;d:\desenv\pannet\java-
>> >lib\jcServl
>> >et.j
>> >ar;d:\desenv\pannet\java-
>> >lib\activation.jar;d:\jbuilder4\lib\jaxp.jar;d:\arq
>> >uiv~
>> >1\j2sdk1.4.1_01\lib\tools.jar;d:\arquiv~1\j2sdk1.4.1_01\lib\dt.jar;.;;
>> >
>> >    I couldn�t take correctly ant�s command line, but i think that it
>> >gives some idea.
>> >
>> >> ----------
>> >> De:       Shapira, Yoav[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> Responder:        Tomcat Users List
>> >> Enviada:  sexta-feira, 12 de dezembro de 2003 14:07
>> >> Para:     Tomcat Users List
>> >> Assunto:  RE: new JVM feature, just an idea
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Howdy,
>> >> It's fascinating other people in the almost decade-long history of the
>> >> language haven't had this problem.  Don't you find that curious? ;)
>> Can
>> >> you post one such classpath example that's giving you problems?
>> >>
>> >> Yoav Shapira
>> >> Millennium ChemInformatics
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >From: Edson Alves Pereira [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:03 PM
>> >> >To: 'Tomcat Users List'
>> >> >Subject: RE: new JVM feature, just an idea
>> >> >
>> >> > Exactly, that�s it! Even using environment variable in a MSDOS
>shell
>> >> >you can reach the line limit.
>> >> >
>> >> >> ----------
>> >> >> De:    Shapira, Yoav[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >> Responder:     Tomcat Users List
>> >> >> Enviada:       sexta-feira, 12 de dezembro de 2003 13:57
>> >> >> Para:  Tomcat Users List
>> >> >> Assunto:       RE: new JVM feature, just an idea
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Howdy,
>> >> >> So you really have a classpath environment variable that's bigger
>> than
>> >> >> 128KB?  (If that's really the limit, as you say in your original
>> >> >message).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yoav Shapira
>> >> >> Millennium ChemInformatics
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >> >From: Edson Alves Pereira [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >> >Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:51 PM
>> >> >> >To: 'Tomcat Users List'
>> >> >> >Subject: RE: new JVM feature, just an idea
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >      The point here is that my classpath is very big and even
>> using
>> >> >> >environment variables winnt complain about it.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> ----------
>> >> >> >> De:         Shapira, Yoav[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >> >> Responder:  Tomcat Users List
>> >> >> >> Enviada:    sexta-feira, 12 de dezembro de 2003 10:47
>> >> >> >> Para:       Tomcat Users List
>> >> >> >> Assunto:    RE: new JVM feature, just an idea
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Howdy,
>> >> >> >> You can use the environment variables on windows as well.  And
>> FYI,
>> >> >> >though
>> >> >> >> I'm not a big M$ fan, Windows XP and 2003 are not bad, I've been
>> >> >> working
>> >> >> >> with them a bit without stability problems.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Yoav Shapira
>> >> >> >> Millennium ChemInformatics
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >> >> >From: Edson Alves Pereira
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >> >> >Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:16 AM
>> >> >> >> >To: 'Tomcat-User List'
>> >> >> >> >Subject: new JVM feature, just an idea
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >   Hello folks, as you know windows has a limit for
>> >> command-line (
>> >> >> >> >something like 128kb ), i�m not a windows fan, but here for a
>> >while
>> >> i
>> >> >> >> still
>> >> >> >> >using this OS.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >   Then as we cannot change this behaviour ( in win95, win98
>> >> and
>> >> >winnt,
>> >> >> >> >others i don�t known and i hope never use them ), would be a
>> good
>> >> >idea
>> >> >> >> make
>> >> >> >> >JVM read classpath form a file named .javarc like .bash_profile
>> >and
>> >> >> >there
>> >> >> >> >create  a entrypoint like:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >###########################################################
>> >> >> >> >#/home/edson/.javarc
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >classpath=d:\arquiv~1\j2sdk1.4.1_01\commapi\comm.jar;\
>> >> >> >> >d:\usr\local\skinlf-1.2.4\lib\skinregion.jar;\
>> >> >> >> >d:\usr\local\skinlf-1.2.4\lib\skinlf.jar;\
>> >> >> >> >d:\usr\local\ecs-1.4.1\lib\xerces-1.2.2.jar;\
>> >> >> >> >d:\usr\local\ecs-1.4.1\lib\jakarta-regexp-1.2.jar;\
>> >> >> >> >d:\usr\local\ecs-1.4.1\ecs-1.4.1.jar;\
>> >> >> >> >d:\usr\local\java_cup\java_cup.jar;\
>> >> >> >> >d:\usr\local\hsqldb_v.1.61\lib\hsqldb.jar;\
>> >> >> >> >d:\usr\local\junit3.7\junit.jar;\
>> >> >> >> >d:\usr\local\jakarta\apache-ant-1.5.4\lib\xmltask.jar;\
>> >> >> >> >d:\usr\local\jakarta\apache-ant-1.5.4\lib\xml-apis.jar;\
>> >> >> >> >d:\usr\local\jakarta\apache-ant-1.5.4\lib\xercesImpl.jar;\
>> >> >> >> >d:\usr\local\jakarta\apache-ant-1.5.4\lib\optional.jar;\
>> >> >> >> >d:\usr\local\jakarta\apache-ant-1.5.4\lib\ant.jar;
>> >> >> >> >###########################################################
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >  Here i give up to find a solution for my winnt, because there
>> >> isn�t
>> >> >> >> >solution. Then i�ll create a new ClassLoader for my winnt
>> machine
>> >> to
>> >> >> >find
>> >> >> >> >my
>> >> >> >> >classpath in this file also. What do you think about it? Does
>it
>> >> >could
>> >> >> >be
>> >> >> >> a
>> >> >> >> >good implementation for JVM for windows or all JVMs?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >  Regards,
>> >> >> >> >  Edson
>> >> >> >>
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