Now if you had your spelling certification we wouldn't have to worry about this:-)
I personally have found that certification has helped me learn a few things better. But I think that's really all that should be expected of them now: they may force you to study and learn a few things that you don't already know. But they're only an adjunct to experience. And really only valuable for the learning experience. -----Original Message----- From: Shapira, Yoav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 1:19 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: Apache/Tomcat/Struts Certification Proposal Howdy, Many typos today... Sorry ;) Yoav Shapira Millennium ChemInformatics >-----Original Message----- >From: Shapira, Yoav >Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 1:12 PM >To: Tomcat Users List >Subject: RE: Apache/Tomcat/Struts Certification Proposal > > >Howdy, >My person view on most of these certification is that they're BS. They >mostly tell you someone knows the nomenclature and has read some books. > > >They're no substitute for experience, and when (this is not an if, I've >actually been in this situation) I have to choose between a less >experienced but certified engineer and a more experienced non-certified >one, I go with the latter. I've been happy with my choices in this area >so far ;) > >Most certifications also require the certified person to renew/retest >periodically, which is a pain, albeit required otherwise the certificate >certifies out-of-date/obsolete knowledge. But this hassle has been >enough to keep my from getting certified in the past, and is likely to >do the same in the future, including for ASF certification if one were >offered. > >Yoav Shapira >Millennium ChemInformatics > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Yansheng Lin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 12:59 PM >>To: 'Tomcat Users List' >>Subject: RE: Apache/Tomcat/Struts Certification Proposal >> >>I just thought it would help people with real knowledge to stand out >and >>have a >>better chance. It's just not fair for people with better understanding >of >>the >>software(I believe you can get a IIS certification, why not Apache). >And >>it >>would help the Apache Foundation as well. With the money they get from >>people >>taking the exams, they can have way better support as a whole. After >all, >>software programming is not only about working in front of a computer >all >>day >>anymore. >> >>The real challenge is how the whole process can be administrated. Ah, >I >>don't >>think it's possible anyways with current open source development >structure. >>But >>just thought it would be an interesting idea. >>-Yan >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Adam Hardy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 1:35 PM >>To: Tomcat Users List >>Subject: Re: Apache/Tomcat/Struts Certification Proposal >> >>FWIW, I think certification is a waste in terms of the amount of >>learning that it forces on the developer. >> >>Perhaps in many cases it does help the recruiter, but firstly I think >>that recruiters who need to see certification of something in an IT >>candidate are not doing their job properly, and secondly I think the >>whole process is a waste of resources, siphoning off money and time >from >>people who usually have better things to do. >> >>So please, no to Apache certifications! >> >> >>Adam >> >>-- >>struts 1.1 + tomcat 5.0.16 + java 1.4.2 >>Linux 2.4.20 Debian >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business >communication, and may contain information that is confidential, >proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the >individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, >printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended >recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system >and notify the sender. Thank you. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
