if the others don't mind this is slightly off topic ;-):
yep SCJ2D is a next step (not THE next step because you can go other ways as well, see http://suned.sun.com/US/certification/java/index.html)
I think I've invested about 80 hours at this point and the code is practically done. Next step is finalizing the documentation, packaging the complete app and making sure I meet all requirements. Probably another 20 hours or so. I did wait about one and a half year before getting started, trying to get some related experience in real projects.
The main negative point about SCJ2P is that they expect you to behave as a compiler (and most people already have a better one ;-)), the main negative point about SCJ2D is that Sun's tries to simulate a realworld situation by delivering incomplete specs. Although that's true to life, it's a bit beside the point sometimes.
Positive points about both is that I did learn something working on them ;-).
Hope that answers your question! grtz Sorv
At 09:33 PM 2/20/2004 +0100, Adam Hardy wrote:
If you don't mind me asking, compared to the 16 hours for SCJ2P, how is it going with SCJ2D ? I assume SCJ2D is the next one up from SCJ2P?
On 02/20/2004 08:03 PM Hans Wichman wrote:Hi,
I guess it's a matter of which way you look at it. Starting from scratch and getting certified doesn't really say much (because then you are as Yoav said, the unexperienced certified developer). However if you have reached a certain level of experience, I don't see what's wrong with getting certified in that area as well.
For example, the SCJ2P took me about 16 hours of study and I scored 93%. That's not because I am so damn good ;-) because I'm not, but because I had a few years experience in the field. So the certification results only acknowleged what I already knew.
On the other hand, I am currently working on SCJ2D, and I wish I had never started it (well, I am almost done so that's not entirely true ;-)), but I do know that when I finish it, it doesn't say jacksh.t (so Yoav is totally right in that case).
Anywayz, to shorten a long story: maybe the certification itself doesn't say that much, unless you know the time it took and the grades received ;-). Still I think it doesn't hurt to get certified either.
grtz
Sorv
At 01:50 PM 2/20/2004 -0500, Hamilton Andrew wrote:
I tend to agree with the certifications are BS argument. I have several certifications and they don't really help me do my job. Unfortunately, in the climate we are in these days, the fact that there are certifications lead us down the road to being forced into acquiring them. When faced with the likelihood that the hiring authority in a company may not be an engineer, but a human resource manager and the requirements for the position are certification in this, that or the other technology, even though I may have 5 more years worth of experience, my resume my get tossed aside because I don't have the piece of paper that tells them that someone else thinks I know what I'm doing, which may sound ridiculous but is still true. It is disheartening to see because I switch jobs every three years and more and more I see that someone wants you to be an SCJP, SCJD, CCIE, CCNA, MCSE, MCSD, or what have you (does this remind anyone of alphabet soup). I think there are ways for you to showcase your skills in your resume without having to resort to getting certifications but it just seems to me that sooner or later there is going to be some form of certification REQUIRED for a lot of positions. Just my .02
Regards,
Drew
-----Original Message----- From: Shapira, Yoav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 1:24 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: Apache/Tomcat/Struts Certification Proposal
Howdy,
>What if you had two experienced engineers, but only one of them had a ASF >certification?? >Which one would you hire?
I don't know, but the certification would not likely be the deciding factor. It would come down to the relevance of the experience, familiarity with the industry, etc, there's a long list of factors that would come before the presence/absence of an ASF certification.
But of course, that's just me ;)
Yoav Shapira
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