On Fri, 25 May 2001, Martin van den Bemt wrote:
> Isn't there something like a mailinglist manager, who can delete
> entries from the mailinglist ?
Yes. But how does that help if they don't know what entry/address to
delete? The problem is determining the bad subscribed address from
the bounced address, and that isn't always so easy to do.
This has come up before.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Milt Epstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 11:40 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: I'm really getting tired of these messages...
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 25 May 2001, Martin van den Bemt wrote:
> >
> > > For the sake of solving this ;-)) (will deliver me 2 more of those
> > > e-mails). I attach it again (the first message about this to the
> > > maillinglist contained the attachments).
> >
> > I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying.
> >
> > It's not clear at all that this is going to solve anything.
> >
> > Everyone knows what the bad addresses are -- I and everyone else who
> > posts to the lists gets those bounce messages. And most likely the
> > list owners/managers do as well. The point is, just knowing the bad
> > addresses doesn't necessarily help. The people whose bad addresses
> > those are may be subscribed with totally different addresses. So it
> > may be difficult or impossible to figure out from those bad addresses
> > the corresponding subscribed addresses to remove from the list so that
> > those bounces will stop.
> >
> > For example, suppose [EMAIL PROTECTED] is subcribed to the list. But because of
> > address changes/canonicalization/forwarding/relaying/whatever, the
> > actual receiving address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now suppose that mail to that
> > address bounces for some reason or other. When that bounce comes in
> > saying [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a bad address, how are you going to know to remove
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]?
> >
> >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Milt Epstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 8:27 PM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: RE: I'm really getting tired of these messages...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 25 May 2001, Martin van den Bemt wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I attached the mails I get.. The e-mail address is in there....
> > > >
> > > > Attached it where?
> > > >
> > > > In any case, knowing what address is bouncing isn't the problem --
> > > > that's in the bounce message. The problem is finding the subscribed
> > > > address that corresponds to that bad address. Due to a variety of
> > > > reasons, the address someone actually receives email at may be very
> > > > different than the one they originally signed up with.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Milt Epstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 2:02 PM
> > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > Subject: RE: I'm really getting tired of these messages...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, 25 May 2001, Kyle Burke wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I agree. It is very tedious. It's definitely people
> > who signed up
> > > > > > > for the list with a web-based mail account and just
> > stopped using
> > > > > > > it. It gets shut off because it's neglected and everyone on the
> > > > > > > list pays the price.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't think you can so easily categorize the problem email
> > > > > > addresses. When this has come up in the past, the problem was
> > > > > > typically that the email address that is bouncing did not
> > match up to
> > > > > > any subscribed address -- perhaps because the message is getting
> > > > > > forwarded a number of times. In such cases, it isn't so
> > easy to find
> > > > > > the address to remove from the list.
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Milt Epstein
Research Programmer
Software/Systems Development Group
Computing and Communications Services Office (CCSO)
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
