Topband: DXCC Desk?

Mon, 18 Nov 2013 06:30:46 -0800

What is the "DXCC Desk" anyway? It used to be just Bob White W1CW seated at a real oak desk with stacks of cards and papers and Bob's omnipresent huge Sherlock Holmes handy magnifying glass to look for any alterations. Today I understand the "DXCC Desk" is no longer a desk at all but is comprised of computers, LOTW servers, and a DXCC Committee, which is "tasked" by another Committee made up primarily by HQ employees and answer, perhaps, to the ARRL Board of Directors. I think the organization flow chart may even be a mystery inside of an enigma. Perhaps a Kafkaesque relic from some other place. That's how they like it. Now new countries are created and approved for political purposes and real ones are refused for political purposes, like Kosovo and Chechnya. Maybe instead of referring to it as the "DXCC Desk" perhaps the "DXCC Regime" would be more appropriate. 

Mis dos centavos

Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ





On 11/18/2013 9:12 AM, James Rodenkirch wrote:

Sheesh, Carl!! I doubt if the ARRL desk is gonna,  or even should,  weigh in on 
something they'd have no control over OR would have even an inkling of what 
went on to cause them  to question it!
First off, last time I looked, the QSL sent and received is between the sender, 
in this case me, and the receiver/replyee, the DX bubba AND, most importantly, 
is based on the notion that both are telling the truth!!!! How in the hell 
would/could the DXCC question that??? They gonna think we both are lying???
NOW, in the case of suspected "cheating" - me submitting a QSL card, as part of my DXCC 
160 package submission for a QSO on 160 between K9JWV and PT0S at 1700Z on any day of the year - I 
could see them saying "Prove it"!  Hi Hi
I am FASCINATED by your mention of a "Prove it, Dood" via requesting an audio 
tape of a QSO for validation!!  Wow!!
72, Jim R. K9JWV


From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: Re: Topband: Don't give up AND log who worked the DX b4 and after!
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 20:03:05 -0500

I would think that the ultimate decision is up to the ARRL DXCC desk.
In the past if it wasnt in the log it didnt count....period...no matter who
was before or after. Expecting an operator to remember a mistake months
later...or his QSL manager....is a stretch.

This brought about many decades ago of making a tape copy (that shows its
age) whenever a new one was worked and a few times having to present it to
the DXCC desk to obtain credit.

Im not saying you both didnt do a full legitimate exchange, dont get me
wrong there.

Perhaps someone from the DXCC desk can weigh in.

Carl
KM1H


---- Original Message -----
From: "James Rodenkirch" <[email protected]>
To: "Bernie McClenny, W3UR" <[email protected]>; "KM1H Carl"
<[email protected]>
Cc: "Doug Renwick" <[email protected]>; "Top Band Contesting"
<[email protected]>; "KV4FZ Herb" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: Don't give up AND log who worked the DX b4 and after!


As Bernie says, "Mistakes happen."
Just to re-iterate --- they DID copy my call correctly!! I heard them come
back to me with K9JWV 599! THAT's why I put in the log.
  I wouldn't have logged the QSO if he came back "K9JJV 599"!!! I'd still be
there calling them!! Hi HiI'm ok with the notion it's not a valid QSO IF
they got my call wrong in the exchange, which they didn't! Them mucking up
my call entry in the log is a different matter.
72, Jim R. K9JWV




From: [email protected]
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 15:29:18 -0500
To: [email protected]
CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: Re: Topband: Don't give up AND log who worked the DX b4 and
after!

Like I said - mistakes happen.  If the guy who made the mistake realizes
he did so and is will to correct the error that is nothing wrong with
that.
Bernie

Bernie McClenny, W3UR
Editor of The Daily DX, The Weekly DX and How's DX?
Two week trial - http://www.dailydx.com/trial.htm
https://twitter.com/dailydx
410-489-6518


On Nov 16, 2013, at 8:46 AM, ZR <[email protected]> wrote:


Ive always been under the impression that both calls have to be sent,
received, and verified to count for DXCC and other awards. QSO's on 160
are no different than EME when it comes to verification.
Unless an audio recording (SSB/CW) is kept to verify a mistake was made
in the log the result is still a busted call which also gets deleted
during contest log checking.

Am I wrong here?

Carl
KM1H


----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernie McClenny, W3UR"
<[email protected]>
To: "Doug Renwick" <[email protected]>
Cc: "Topband reflector" <[email protected]>; "KV4FZ Herb"
<[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: Topband: Don't give up AND log who worked the DX b4 and
after!


Ugh - Let me go on the record as saying I don’t like this idea and I
wish this can of worms was not opened!  Thankfully US stations (and
hopefully others) no longer have second (personal) calls.  Yes we have
club calls, but thankfully those QSOs will not count for ones personal
DXCC records.  I’ve been on DXpeditions and had guys download all their
calls on me (on each band and band mode!), taking away the opportunity
for other Deserving DXers to get into the log.  Yes I realize sometimes
the DXpedition or DX operator makes a mistake and I have been burned
once or twice over the years, not at the fault of my own but by the
other guy in the QSO.  I much prefer K9JWV’s method by noting in my log
the previous or next QSO.

Flame retardant suit on!

73
Bernie

Bernie McClenny, W3UR


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----- Original Message -----
From: "James Rodenkirch" <[email protected]>
To: "Bernie McClenny, W3UR" <[email protected]>; "KM1H Carl"
<[email protected]>
Cc: "Doug Renwick" <[email protected]>; "Top Band Contesting"
<[email protected]>; "KV4FZ Herb" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: Don't give up AND log who worked the DX b4 and after!


As Bernie says, "Mistakes happen."
Just to re-iterate --- they DID copy my call correctly!! I heard them come
back to me with K9JWV 599! THAT's why I put in the log.
  I wouldn't have logged the QSO if he came back "K9JJV 599"!!! I'd still be
there calling them!! Hi HiI'm ok with the notion it's not a valid QSO IF
they got my call wrong in the exchange, which they didn't! Them mucking up
my call entry in the log is a different matter.
72, Jim R. K9JWV




From: [email protected]
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 15:29:18 -0500
To: [email protected]
CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: Re: Topband: Don't give up AND log who worked the DX b4 and
after!

Like I said - mistakes happen.  If the guy who made the mistake realizes
he did so and is will to correct the error that is nothing wrong with
that.
Bernie

Bernie McClenny, W3UR
Editor of The Daily DX, The Weekly DX and How's DX?
Two week trial - http://www.dailydx.com/trial.htm
https://twitter.com/dailydx
410-489-6518


On Nov 16, 2013, at 8:46 AM, ZR <[email protected]> wrote:


Ive always been under the impression that both calls have to be sent,
received, and verified to count for DXCC and other awards. QSO's on 160
are no different than EME when it comes to verification.
Unless an audio recording (SSB/CW) is kept to verify a mistake was made
in the log the result is still a busted call which also gets deleted
during contest log checking.

Am I wrong here?

Carl
KM1H


----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernie McClenny, W3UR"
<[email protected]>
To: "Doug Renwick" <[email protected]>
Cc: "Topband reflector" <[email protected]>; "KV4FZ Herb"
<[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: Topband: Don't give up AND log who worked the DX b4 and
after!


Ugh - Let me go on the record as saying I don’t like this idea and I
wish this can of worms was not opened!  Thankfully US stations (and
hopefully others) no longer have second (personal) calls.  Yes we have
club calls, but thankfully those QSOs will not count for ones personal
DXCC records.  I’ve been on DXpeditions and had guys download all their
calls on me (on each band and band mode!), taking away the opportunity
for other Deserving DXers to get into the log.  Yes I realize sometimes
the DXpedition or DX operator makes a mistake and I have been burned
once or twice over the years, not at the fault of my own but by the
other guy in the QSO.  I much prefer K9JWV’s method by noting in my log
the previous or next QSO.

Flame retardant suit on!

73
Bernie

Bernie McClenny, W3UR


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----- Original Message -----
From: "James Rodenkirch" <[email protected]>
To: "Bernie McClenny, W3UR" <[email protected]>; "KM1H Carl"
<[email protected]>
Cc: "Doug Renwick" <[email protected]>; "Top Band Contesting"
<[email protected]>; "KV4FZ Herb" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: Don't give up AND log who worked the DX b4 and after!


As Bernie says, "Mistakes happen."
Just to re-iterate --- they DID copy my call correctly!! I heard them come
back to me with K9JWV 599! THAT's why I put in the log.
  I wouldn't have logged the QSO if he came back "K9JJV 599"!!! I'd still be
there calling them!! Hi HiI'm ok with the notion it's not a valid QSO IF
they got my call wrong in the exchange, which they didn't! Them mucking up
my call entry in the log is a different matter.
72, Jim R. K9JWV




From: [email protected]
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 15:29:18 -0500
To: [email protected]
CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: Re: Topband: Don't give up AND log who worked the DX b4 and
after!

Like I said - mistakes happen.  If the guy who made the mistake realizes
he did so and is will to correct the error that is nothing wrong with
that.
Bernie

Bernie McClenny, W3UR
Editor of The Daily DX, The Weekly DX and How's DX?
Two week trial - http://www.dailydx.com/trial.htm
https://twitter.com/dailydx
410-489-6518


On Nov 16, 2013, at 8:46 AM, ZR <[email protected]> wrote:


Ive always been under the impression that both calls have to be sent,
received, and verified to count for DXCC and other awards. QSO's on 160
are no different than EME when it comes to verification.
Unless an audio recording (SSB/CW) is kept to verify a mistake was made
in the log the result is still a busted call which also gets deleted
during contest log checking.

Am I wrong here?

Carl
KM1H


----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernie McClenny, W3UR"
<[email protected]>
To: "Doug Renwick" <[email protected]>
Cc: "Topband reflector" <[email protected]>; "KV4FZ Herb"
<[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: Topband: Don't give up AND log who worked the DX b4 and
after!


Ugh - Let me go on the record as saying I don’t like this idea and I
wish this can of worms was not opened!  Thankfully US stations (and
hopefully others) no longer have second (personal) calls.  Yes we have
club calls, but thankfully those QSOs will not count for ones personal
DXCC records.  I’ve been on DXpeditions and had guys download all their
calls on me (on each band and band mode!), taking away the opportunity
for other Deserving DXers to get into the log.  Yes I realize sometimes
the DXpedition or DX operator makes a mistake and I have been burned
once or twice over the years, not at the fault of my own but by the
other guy in the QSO.  I much prefer K9JWV’s method by noting in my log
the previous or next QSO.

Flame retardant suit on!

73
Bernie

Bernie McClenny, W3UR


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