Well, I'd be in favor of that, Joe! Even though I have it confirmed, I've always regarded "Scaffold Reef" to be an absolute farce!
73, Charlie, K4OTV -----Original Message----- From: Topband [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 7:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Topband: DXCC Desk? Unfortunately "BS Reef" is one of those pre-1998 "countries" that continue on the list in spite of not meeting current criteria. On the other hand, I would not object to simply deleting any entity that did not meet the current standards. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 11/18/2013 4:57 PM, Charlie Cunningham wrote: > Well, I will be pleased and my faith in DXCC will be restored when they > delete the farce of "Scaffold Reef" - "B.S.- seven- hotel"!. As far as I'm > concerned, I f you can't sleep on it and prepare meals on it - it ain't a > "country"! I by any stretch of the imagination! ( I did work BS7H and have > it confirmed, but it's not a "country"!) > > 73, > Charlie, K4OTV > > -----Original Message----- > From: Topband [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joe > Subich, W4TV > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 3:56 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Topband: DXCC Desk? > > > Herb, > > Get your "facts" straight ... the issues you raise happened in the main > more than 20 years ago. The latest DXCC rules revision "DXCC 2000" has > greatly simplified (and removed the subjectivity) from the entities > criteria (although there are those who can't read a map properly and > screw up the separation between Saba and Bonaire). > > The current criteria are quite simple and transparent - leaving very > little "interpretation" as to what qualifies as a "political entity", > or "Geographic Separation Entity". There is simply no opportunity for > the backroom politics under the current rules. In that regard the > issues about which you are kvetching have been resolved for 15 years. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 11/18/2013 3:33 PM, Herb Schoenbohm wrote: >> Gents... Amateur radio is supposed to be devoid of politics as much as >> possible. but the more you dig the worse it gets. I once attended an >> IARU Region II meeting in Jamaica and was amazed by all the wheeling and >> dealing going on with DXCC accreditation at the core. That was nearly 50 >> years ago and it seems not much has changed. I had even heard that the >> ops at 706T where banned from working any 4X4's but the sharp ops with a >> wink and a nod just logged VX4*** rather than mentioning anything on the >> air. Would the ARRL "DXCC Desk" discredit a single 4X4 in need of this >> one? I sort of doubt it. At times there are bona fide reasons to make >> exception. Also the creation of private DX preserves by the ARRL for >> certain Radio Societies is legend. In fact KP5 (Desecheo) should never >> have been granted DXCC status when Mona Island which permits visitors >> was refused. Additionally Water Island, which KP2A fought for for >> years, was clearly not part of the USVI and until recently administered >> solely by the U.S. Department of interior. But so the story goes that >> hams in Puerto Rico had decided to join the IARU as a distinct and >> unique entity apart from the U.S. and the creation of a private DXCC >> location was the price the ARRL paid to halt those plans. The DXCC >> rules have been anything but consistant and have been bent and twisted >> like a heavily gerrymander congressional district to purposely include >> or exclude voters of certain just to satisfy some. >> >> >> Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 11/18/2013 3:47 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>> >>> Len, >>> >>>> Why, you might ask after all this suffering, is that this nation >>>> still is not recognazid as a separate entity to this very small >>>> world of the global assembly that Ham radio really is? >>> >>> Ask the Serbs and Russians why they blocked Kosovar membership in the >>> UN and prevented ITU from assigning a callsign block, dialing prefix >>> and internet TLD? If the Serbs and Russians recognize the Palestine >>> they could certainly allow Kosovo similar international privileges. >>> >>> Kosovo is recognized by the US as an "independent state" (see: >>> http://www.state.gov/s/inr/rls/4250.htm) and like the EU the US >>> maintains diplomatic relations with Kosovo. Unfortunately, the >>> DXCC Rules (see: http://www.arrl.org/files/file/DXCC/DXCC%20Rules.pdf) >>> do not include the US DOS "Independent States in the World" listing as >>> a qualifying option for a "Political (Rule 1) Entity". >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> ... Joe, W4TV >>> >>> >> >> _________________ >> Topband Reflector >> > _________________ > Topband Reflector > > _________________ > Topband Reflector > _________________ Topband Reflector _________________ Topband Reflector
