Hello Raphaël,
Great, your answer helps .... a bit.
It's like I'm learning a whole new language ;-) I have now idea what "
flexible generation framework like GMF" means but for now I will store
this information as an under water technical issue.
It's great to hear that you joined forces in developing one editor!
As a personal rant: the main advantage of open source (everyone can
start its own fork) is also its main pitfall (development effort is
scattered). But that's OT.
What is confusing about your answer is that you say I should use
TOPCASED AND Papyrus if I what document generator, model simulation, OCL
editor and requirement management/traceability. OK I understand that and
I want that. But you also say that the TOPCASED editor still remains
because:
"there exists some users of those editors that would probably like to
benefit from progress in other components (gendoc2, OCL, simulation...)"
Does that mean I can't use these features when I use Papyrus? Or are
they not as mature?
Sorry if I don't get it. And many thanks for your help, of course!
Best regards,
Robert
On 09/05/13 19:18, Topcased user list where issues are discussed wrote:
Hi Robert, Joe, and all,
John is right. Old "TOPCASED editors" are deprecated.
Technically speaking those editors were quite good but not flexible
enough for customization (compartments, connection routing, colours,
property view...) and especially concerning UML profiles with no
ability to display stereotypes attributes. We needed to switch to more
flexible generation framework like GMF.
The other reason was economical : we joined efforts with CEA (French
nuclear agency) to develop one modelling UML /sysML editor that would
be hosted by the eclipse foundation instead of two development of an
open source Eclipse UML editor in parallel. When Eclipse MDT Papyrus
reached a certain level of maturity, we decided to integrate it into
TOPCASED so that we could make TOPCASED ecosystem of customization
capabilities. Then it was extremely costly to maintain two editors
technologies and from 5.2 we encourage TOPCASED users using Papyrus as
it has now quite good maturity except a few remaining bugs on
collaborative modelling that are mainly fixed now.
"old" topcased editors remain present because there exists some users
of those editors that would probably like to benefit from progress in
other components (gendoc2, OCL, simulation...) but that are not yet
ready to switch to Papyrus editors.
Concerning the interest to use TOPCASED or to download directly
Papyrus, it is just a matter of scope. Papyrus will bring you the
UML/SysML modelling editor and that's all. TOPCASED is a modelling
platform with modelling editors but also document generator, model
simulation, OCL editor, requirement management/traceability.
Hope it helps
Regards
raphaël
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Robert
I am sure some of the staff will answer shortly but I have been a
user for several years.
The Topcased editor is deprecated. Use the Papyrus editor and
documentation in that column.
There are tools that work with the editors that are provided by the
Topcased organization and I don't think they are available via the
direct papyrus download. But I have not explored that very deeply.
Much success
John
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Robert...
These are great questions..
As you find answers to these questions...
You may want to update the list to help others that are new to Topcased...
I am slowly looking at the same features ... and have a similar
interest in the answers to your questions..
Have fun,
Joe
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:57 AM, Topcased user list where issues are
discussed <[email protected]
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Hello list,
I'm a newbie to TOPCASED and I'm trying to climb the learning curve.
My aim is to use sysML for requirements and system modelling and I
want to use TOPCASED for that.
I haven't read all the documentation yet because I get stuck at the
very beginning, where to start.
What I know so far:
The TOPCASED suite is build using Eclipse. Inside the TOPCASED suite
there is a TOPCASED editor (which is old ??? but I'm not sure) and the
is a Papyrus editor.
>From here on I get confused. In the version I have downloaded
(Topcased-5.3.0) I can use both the TOPCASED editor and the Papyrus
editor to create a project and the models. But if I look at the
Papyrus website I see that I can also download and install the Papyrus
editor on its own and use it.
My questions are therefore:
1. what is the added value of the TOPCASED suite?
2. should I use the Papyrus editor (and read only the left column on
the documentation page) or the TOPCASED editor (and read only the
right column)?
3. Or should the two editors be used side by side and is the one
better for task A and the other better for task B?
I have read the 30 minute and 2 hour presentation but they focus on
the TOPCASED editor and mention the Payrus editor as a side note.
So I would like to get some help in focusing my efforts in learning
and understanding TOPCASED.
Thanks and best regards,
Robert.
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