De : [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] De la part de Topcased user list where issues are discussed Envoyé : vendredi 10 mai 2013 14:55 À : [email protected] Objet : Re: [Topcased-users] Newbie question where to start.
Hello Raphaël, Thanks for the clarification. I have one more question before I dive into the tutorials available. What triggers me is the presence of a TOPCASED Requirement module (?). I understand that if I make a model I can probably activate a TOPCASED simulation module (I'll try that when I get to that) to simulate my model. But what does a TOPCASED Requirement module do? Is it separate from the sysML requirement functionality or does the TOPCASED Requirement module use the sysML requirement diagram to do something? [Raphaël] it is separate for now (a future release will allow using SysML requirements). You can import requirements stored in external data sources (Word, Excel, OpenOffice, .csv) and see those requirements with their attributes in a dedicated view (upstream requirements). From this view you can drag a requirement to any model element and it creates a traceability link. In addition a "current requirement" is created that is linked to the upstream one from which you did DnD. Because SysML only manages SysML requirements we had to find something more general to be able to manage UML models, AADL models, SAM models and whatever language you want. Good reading ;-) raphaël Best regards, Robert. On 10/05/13 12:57, Topcased user list where issues are discussed wrote: Hello Robert, Comments below. De : [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] De la part de Topcased user list where issues are discussed Envoyé : jeudi 9 mai 2013 22:44 À : [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Objet : Re: [Topcased-users] Newbie question where to start. Hello Raphaël, Great, your answer helps .... a bit. It's like I'm learning a whole new language ;-) I have now idea what " flexible generation framework like GMF" means but for now I will store this information as an under water technical issue. It's great to hear that you joined forces in developing one editor! As a personal rant: the main advantage of open source (everyone can start its own fork) is also its main pitfall (development effort is scattered). But that's OT. What is confusing about your answer is that you say I should use TOPCASED AND Papyrus if I what document generator, model simulation, OCL editor and requirement management/traceability. OK I understand that and I want that. But you also say that the TOPCASED editor still remains because: "there exists some users of those editors that would probably like to benefit from progress in other components (gendoc2, OCL, simulation...)" Does that mean I can't use these features when I use Papyrus? Or are they not as mature? [Raphaël] Sorry for confusion . I was probably too fast in my answer. I just wanted to say that if you download MDT Papyrus as standalone modelling editor you will not benefit from all other TOPCASED component directlys. You will be able to install some of them (Gendoc2 for instance can be installed from Eclipse Market place and added to Papyrus) but others might require TOPCASED dependencies (TOPCASED Requirement or TOPCASED simulation). The other issue you might face is to get integration errors if you install different components that are not compatible in their versions. TOPCASED does this job in providing integration between the different components of the platform whatever their origin (TOPCASED forge or Eclipse foundation). So it is not a question of maturity but rather a question of integration. Sorry if I don't get it. And many thanks for your help, of course! [Raphaël] You are welcome Regards raphaël Best regards, Robert On 09/05/13 19:18, Topcased user list where issues are discussed wrote: Hi Robert, Joe, and all, John is right. Old "TOPCASED editors" are deprecated. Technically speaking those editors were quite good but not flexible enough for customization (compartments, connection routing, colours, property view...) and especially concerning UML profiles with no ability to display stereotypes attributes. We needed to switch to more flexible generation framework like GMF. The other reason was economical : we joined efforts with CEA (French nuclear agency) to develop one modelling UML /sysML editor that would be hosted by the eclipse foundation instead of two development of an open source Eclipse UML editor in parallel. When Eclipse MDT Papyrus reached a certain level of maturity, we decided to integrate it into TOPCASED so that we could make TOPCASED ecosystem of customization capabilities. Then it was extremely costly to maintain two editors technologies and from 5.2 we encourage TOPCASED users using Papyrus as it has now quite good maturity except a few remaining bugs on collaborative modelling that are mainly fixed now. "old" topcased editors remain present because there exists some users of those editors that would probably like to benefit from progress in other components (gendoc2, OCL, simulation...) but that are not yet ready to switch to Papyrus editors. Concerning the interest to use TOPCASED or to download directly Papyrus, it is just a matter of scope. Papyrus will bring you the UML/SysML modelling editor and that's all. TOPCASED is a modelling platform with modelling editors but also document generator, model simulation, OCL editor, requirement management/traceability. Hope it helps Regards raphaël De : [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] De la part de Topcased user list where issues are discussed Envoyé : jeudi 9 mai 2013 18:59 À : [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Objet : Re: [Topcased-users] Newbie question where to start. Robert I am sure some of the staff will answer shortly but I have been a user for several years. The Topcased editor is deprecated. Use the Papyrus editor and documentation in that column. There are tools that work with the editors that are provided by the Topcased organization and I don't think they are available via the direct papyrus download. But I have not explored that very deeply. Much success John From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Topcased user list where issues are discussed Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 12:46 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Topcased-users] Newbie question where to start. Robert... These are great questions.. As you find answers to these questions... You may want to update the list to help others that are new to Topcased... I am slowly looking at the same features ... and have a similar interest in the answers to your questions.. Have fun, Joe On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:57 AM, Topcased user list where issues are discussed <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hello list, I'm a newbie to TOPCASED and I'm trying to climb the learning curve. My aim is to use sysML for requirements and system modelling and I want to use TOPCASED for that. I haven't read all the documentation yet because I get stuck at the very beginning, where to start. What I know so far: The TOPCASED suite is build using Eclipse. Inside the TOPCASED suite there is a TOPCASED editor (which is old ??? but I'm not sure) and the is a Papyrus editor. >From here on I get confused. In the version I have downloaded (Topcased-5.3.0) >I can use both the TOPCASED editor and the Papyrus editor to create a project >and the models. But if I look at the Papyrus website I see that I can also >download and install the Papyrus editor on its own and use it. My questions are therefore: 1. what is the added value of the TOPCASED suite? 2. should I use the Papyrus editor (and read only the left column on the documentation page) or the TOPCASED editor (and read only the right column)? 3. Or should the two editors be used side by side and is the one better for task A and the other better for task B? I have read the 30 minute and 2 hour presentation but they focus on the TOPCASED editor and mention the Payrus editor as a side note. So I would like to get some help in focusing my efforts in learning and understanding TOPCASED. Thanks and best regards, Robert. _______________________________________________ Topcased-users mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://lists.gforge.enseeiht.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/topcased-users -- Joe Simpson Sent From My DROID!! ________________________________ Ce message et les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et réservés à l'usage exclusif de ses destinataires. 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