Rob Landley <rob@...> wrote: > And toybox is zero clause BSD/public domain.
I was oversimplifying before. Really, tmux uses the ISC license, which is the same license which OpenBSD is now using for new code. > I'm not using the _source_ of gnu screen. I'm not even looking at the > source. (Ick.) tmux's source is much cleaner. > When I say "tar" I mean the command ubuntu has installed. :) > The whole "gee, there should be another implementation of this command I > can use instead, one which isn't maintained by crazy people" thing is > something I come by naturally. Protesting "but the other implementation > sucks", my response is "yes, I know"... > > Jason Spiro <jasonspiro4@...> wrote: > > Another example: To > > renumber a window, you need only hit five keys (<C-b> . 9 <RET>), instead of > > nine (<C-a> : n u <TAB> 9 <RET>). > > There may be a way to do that in screen. I never bothered learning how. Most people don't bother learning how to make keystroke-saving configuration changes like that. > > tmux is also easier to learn. For example: It shows a status line (tab > > bar) by default, instead of forcing users to mess with complex configuration > > options just to get a status line. See screenshot[2]. > > I.E. it eats screen space and screws up your terminal size, so it has to > intercept the ansi escape sequence querying that stuff instead of > letting it naturally pass to your xterm and let _that_ do it. Even in tmux, it's easy to hide the status line. But tmux enables it by default, since many people like it. > Trying to remember if screen was installed by default on ubuntu, or if I > had to apt-get it. Screen was included with all Ubuntu versions released before 26 Nov 2010.[*] ^ [*]. Source: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/u/ubuntu-meta/ubuntu-meta_1.327/changelog > > tmux's basic keybindings are fairly similar to Screen's. But, instead of > > Ctrl+A, tmux's default prefix is Ctrl+B. (This is reconfigurable.) > > This is an argument against screen? No. I'm explaining that screen and tmux are pretty similar, though the prefix key is different. > Can you summarize the user interface you want? What keybindings do what > and how does "detach" work in tmux? > > With screen I've learned ctrl-a ctrl-a to cycle through windows, ctrl-a > c to create a new window, ctrl-a k to kill a window, ctrl-a d to detach, > ctrl-a " to get a window list, ctrl-a ESC to let me scroll back up > through the window's output above the top of the screen (and then ESC > again to exit that), and then to reattach to a named session "screen -dR > NAME". If you add a terminal multiplexer to toybox, then I would like ctrl-b p and ctrl-b n to switch windows, ctrl-b 0 through ctrl-b 9 to jump to a window, ctrl-b c to create a new window, and ctrl-b x to kill a window. If you want, you can also implement ctrl-b d to detach, "tmux attach" to reattach, C-b [ to enter scrollback mode, and ESC to exit scrollback mode. tmux supports named sessions, but I don't use them. > Presumaly this is all horrible and tmux is better. Could you explain how? Screen is good. It's just that tmux is even better. :) > I'm so sorry I'm behind on Anhwini and enh's todo lists (and the whole > of pending). Have you ever considered taking on a co-maintainer, or at least taking on a helper who will maintain "pending" for you? Alternatively, have you thought of creating a "toybox-experimental" branch, and accepting "boxes" into it, and encouraging people to test it and send feedback? > But before I could deal with THAT today I tried to swap in the linux > 3.18 kernel in aboriginal and build i686 and SOMEBODY ADDED PERL BACK as > a build preprequisite. (I literally spent YEARS getting that removed > last time, and they added it back in 3.18-rc6. Right at the END of the > build cycle. Honestly...) I know you strongly dislike Perl. But the Linux kernel maintainers don't mind it so much, and they probably don't care about Aboriginal Linux at all. Why don't you want to add Perl to Aboriginal Linux? Perl isn't that big, and if you delete some or all of the modules which come with it, it's even smaller. > > ^ [4]. http://www.landley.net/code/toybox/todo.txt > > That todo is from like 2011. The roadmap.html file is much more recent. Ah, okay. _______________________________________________ Toybox mailing list [email protected] http://lists.landley.net/listinfo.cgi/toybox-landley.net
