With GitHub + Lighthouse, bsag would not have to host or administer anything
to keep the project moving forward. Something like Redmine would mean
somebody still needs to host a website for issue tracking. It looks to me
like ditz would prevent less technical people from submitting issues. I lean
toward making it as easy as possible for everybody to get to the issue
tracker. I guess my vote is for Lighthouse at this point.

On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 1:03 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 14 Jun 2008, at 20:32, Eric Allen wrote:
>
> > How about redmine? My company is in the process of moving from Trac
> > to redmine, and it's open-source Ruby on Rails, so it's easy to hack
> > on.
>
> On 14 Jun 2008, at 19:26, Thomas Nichols wrote:
>
> > I'll second that (moderate) concern. Sure, Lighthouse is what the cool
> > kids are doing, and it's a great app,  but I'm really not sure what it
> > wins you over, say, [Retrospectiva][] -- which you can host
> > yourself, is
> > OSS, and doesn't lock all your tickets away in a proprietary silo.
> >
> > Actually, personally I'd prefer [ditz][], but I'm almost certainly
> > in a
> > minority on that one ;-)
> >
> > -- Thomas.
> >
> > [Retrospectiva]: http://retrospectiva.org/
> > [ditz]: http://ditz.rubyforge.org/ditz/
> >
> >
> > Luis Villa wrote on 2008/06/14 18:26:
> >> This is probably my cue to bemoan the move from an admittedly
> >> less-than-optimal free software solution (trac) to a closed-source
> >> solution (lighthouse.) Feel free to ignore me, of course, but I do
> >> think it is a shame. :/
>
> OK, I should probably explain my thinking about this.
>
> 1. As Tracks has grown a truly wonderful community, I've felt a
> responsibility to make sure that all of the resources are in the hands
> of the community, rather than in mine alone. That way, if I
> disappeared without warning one day, other people could pick up the
> reins and it would carry on as before. Not that I'm planning on
> disappearing, but you never know when you might be squashed by a
> bus ;-). That was part of the motivation for moving to GitHub: it's
> hosted by a third party, but also, the distributed nature of git means
> that everyone who forks or clones the repository has a copy of the
> entire repository and its history. So everyone holds the source and
> the history of the project, unlike checking out a subversion
> repository. So it was the hosted nature of Lighthouse that appealed to
> me, even though it is closed.
>
> 2. I have gradually diminishing amounts of time to commit to Tracks,
> as will have been clear from my infrequent svn commits, and the
> decreasing rate of posting on my blog. Trac is a bit of a beast to
> administer, and I'd much rather spend my limited time actually writing
> code for Tracks rather than up to my elbows in trac-admin. I just want
> something that works, rather than having to spend a lot of time
> hacking something else or doing admin.
>
> 3. I want to make the barriers to contributing to Tracks much lower.
> Again, that was behind the wish to move to GitHub, because forking,
> merging and patching is so easy. After I got loads of Trac spam and
> had to lock things down a bit, I have to manually add named accounts
> (which is a real chore), so it is restricted to frequent contributors
> and committers (same with svn commit permissions). Everyone else has
> to submit tickets as 'guest', which is awkward and doesn't let people
> take ownership of their own tickets. Lighthouse would allow that, as
> well as giving other convenient ways of interacting with tickets (by
> email, for e.g.). And it interfaces nicely with GitHub
>
> Having said all that, I'm in no way set on using Lighthouse at all
> costs, particularly if people in the community have reservations. If
> no-one is objecting to GitHub, I'll go ahead and move the repository,
> but leave moving from Trac for now. I'll look into Retrospectiva,
> Redmine and even ditz :-) and see if that would ease the admin burden
> and make it easier for people to create tickets.
>
> cheers,
> bsag
>
> --
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