Hi Philippe - not to intrude, but I don't believe this is the right place to discuss the benefits and drawbacks to mobile PDFs. I would instead comment on the relevant Phabricator tickets so that the technical teams can see your feedback.
best, Joe -- *Joe Sutherland* (he/him or they/them) Community Advocate Wikimedia Foundation joesutherland.rocks On 16 November 2017 at 12:16, Philippe Verdy <[email protected]> wrote: > Anyway, for those users that want an accessible application for offline > reading on their mobiles, I still think that the Mediawiki reader will be > more convenient, will use much less storage, will be free of undesired > plugins, will save battery. > > PDFs on mobiles are only suitable on large tablets (not smartphones: even > at 5 inches it's unusable), and even on tablets, there's too frequently > limited storage forcing them to be connected to a cloud: why not simply > connecting them to the real online wiki website, using their builtin > browser, without any additional app? > > For smartphones (generally not more than 5 inches) or small tablets (with > less than 10 inch screen width) the Wiki reader app will alway be a winner: > it should work better to offer transparent downloading and caching for > offline reading, and it will be usable: fontsizes adjustable, page layout > better adapted. The wiki reader app will generally be much smaller to > install and safer than any existing PDF reader app. > > 2017-11-16 20:59 GMT+01:00 Chris Koerner <[email protected]>: > >> Thanks all for the thoughtful discussion and the translation assistance. >> More are obviously welcome. >> >> Yours, >> Chris Koerner >> Community Liaison >> Wikimedia Foundation >> >> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 7:21 AM, Philippe Verdy <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> PDF format is not necessarily available on all mobiles. PDF readers tend >>> to use themselves too much space and requires frequent updates, or >>> frequently contain too many ads (some of them even require to have an >>> Internet connection before using them, as they want to share what you >>> download and extensive profiling data for who is reading documents that >>> these apps actually did not create, and then insert targetted ads related >>> to the PDF contents. >>> If one wants really mobility (i.e. offline reading) there are better >>> formats that are less intrusive, and whose readers are both safer, with >>> much less unnecessariy plugins such as online form editors or cloud >>> printing or reshares on social networks. >>> >>> "ebooks" formats (or core HTML, not requiring active scripts and online >>> APIs, or even TXT) are usually better suited for mobility: they have the >>> advantage of being suitable for all screen sizes (not the case of PDFs >>> whose page layout is static, and that requires constant zooming, and >>> horizontal panning to read them on most smartphones: a PDF is only suitable >>> on smartphones for a single page (letter or A4 max). Even MS Office .doc[x] >>> are easier to use on smartphones (there's a free viewer for it, and it's >>> really small, faster and much more secure than most PDF readers, including >>> the Reader made by Adobe, and which is still not workiong correctly on many >>> smartphones as they require excessive privileges or frequently depend on >>> tricky/unsupported/unstable APIs of the mobile OS, or are supproted only on >>> the most recent versions of these OSes; Adobe Reader for smartphones is >>> also too frequently targetted by third party apps that want to modify its >>> behavior by adding their own hooks that Adobe Reader uses without any >>> question)! >>> >>> I don't have any PDF reader on my smartphone. I have only the old one >>> that was preinstalled but that I have blocked completely (againsst all >>> updates and all its autostarted services). If I need a PDF, I'll download >>> and read it on my PC, or I'll save it to Google Drive and Google will >>> render it and allow me to view it without activating many services and >>> third-party plugins. This is rare: I do that only to view some billing or >>> purchase order, but I won't store any PDF on my smartphone. >>> >>> MediaWiki should better support the exports as eBooks formats, but the >>> PDF format is the worst one for mobiles, including in terms of >>> accessibility. >>> >>> >>> 2017-11-16 13:10 GMT+01:00 Sylvain Chiron <[email protected]>: >>> >>>> From my point of view, ‘PDF’ is an important piece of the title which >>>> should really appear in the translation, but you might know what you’re >>>> doing. ‘Print to PDF’ can actually be translated like ‘output as pdf’ >>>> (or even ‘get as pdf’ here) which is the best for French. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Sylvain Chiron >>>> Translator for French >>>> >>>> Le 16/11/2017 à 00:04, Anoop Rao a écrit : >>>> > Done Kannada language >>>> > >>>> > I have changed title ( *New print to pdf feature for mobile web >>>> > readers* ) in translation as (new print feature for mobile web >>>> readers) >>>> > thinking it would be suitable, since when translated your title might >>>> > also mean :: new/secondary print version to PDF feature for mobile web >>>> > readers :: >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On 16-Nov-2017 3:55 am, "Chris Koerner" <[email protected] >>>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Hello, >>>> > The Readers team at the foundation has created an easier way to >>>> > download pdfs of articles from a mobile device. We would like to >>>> > tell people about this. Offline PDFs are helpful when Internet >>>> > access is not consistent. Please help translate this message. >>>> > >>>> > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:CKoerner_(WMF)/Mobile_PDF >>>> > <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:CKoerner_(WMF)/Mobile_PDF> >>>> > >>>> > Thank you for your help! >>>> > >>>> > Yours, >>>> > Chris Koerner >>>> > Community Liaison >>>> > Wikimedia Foundation >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Translators-l mailing list >>>> > [email protected] >>>> > <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/translators-l >>>> > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/translators-l> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Translators-l mailing list >>>> > [email protected] >>>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/translators-l >>>> > >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Translators-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/translators-l >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Translators-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/translators-l >>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Translators-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/translators-l > >
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