The moral of the story is, I guess, read the fine print, ask lots of 
questions, and if you don't get answers -- go somewhere else.

Vishal Sheth wrote:
> They are all sales guys and are trying to do their sale bit. One of the
> credit card guy tried to sell me a credit card saying I'll get discount of
> 2% on my mobile bill. On asking more questions, I learnt that I would get 2
> points for Rs. 100 spent, which he converted as 2% discount. I did not take
> the card, but was shocked to hear this.
>
>  
>
> Vishal
>
>  
>
>   _____  
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J
> Messeder
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:52 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [Treo] Rebates and The Single Most Important Question
>
>  
>
> I was about to upgrade my 650 to a 680. After much discussion, 
> contemplation, and browsing the boards, that seemed the way to go.
> So I stopped at the Cingular store, where the guy said if I'd bring 
> him a print of the online deal, including any mail-in rebates, he'd give 
> me all the rebates up front. That clinched it. On the Cingular site, I'm 
> eligible for an upgrade. I went through the entire ordering process, 
> stopping only at the final button to place the order. The list said I'd 
> get a $150 instant rebate, a $100 mail-in rebate, and use my existing plan.
> Went back to the store. Turns out there's no way around the mail-in 
> requirement. And BTW, the $100 mail-in requires me to increase my data 
> plan by $20 a month. Somehow, Cingular gave me a $19 plan (which has 
> unlimited data and 200 text messages and works really well for me) but 
> Treos and Blackberries have to be on the $39 data plan to qualify for 
> the $100 rebate.
> So for an additional $20 a month, I can have a $100 rebate. In five 
> months, they've got their money back. Not exactly a good deal for me. 
> The salesman agreed.
> I called Cingular. The nice lady agree on the requirement, about 
> which she also agreed I would have found out when I ordered the phone 
> and two weeks later got the rebate form in the mail. She also agreed 
> that the system basically lied when it said I'd be on my existing plan, 
> and get the $100 mail-in rebate.
> Here's the problem with rebates: we pay taxes on $100 we're not 
> really spending (since we will get it back), the company get's to claim 
> the $300 sale instead of only a $200 sale, then claims the loss when 
> they give back the $100.
> And in five months, it has recovered in fees for service I neither 
> wanted nor needed, the money it "lost" by giving me the purchase rebate. 
> And I'm left with the remaining 19 months of a two-year contract at $20 
> more than I needed or wanted.
> I wish there were a way to roll back the whole rebate scam. We The 
> People jump on rebates like they're a discount, when all they are is a 
> way for the state (taxes) and banks (finance fees on the credit cards) 
> to make money on what we, in the end, are not spending.
>
> BTW, the lady who agreed Cingular was lying by appearing to say I 
> could keep my existing service and get the $100 rebate, then told me the 
> difference between the $39 plan and the $19 plan was the less expensive 
> one would go only to MEDIA web sites, where I could buy ringtones and do 
> a few other minor things.
> Another lie, at least so far. I have been able to go anywhere I want 
> on the browser. I haven't found a site yet I can't access. Of course, I 
> don't spend a lot of time browsing from the Treo. My data mostly is used 
> for email and IM. 
>
> Carl W. Brooks wrote:
>   
>> I have never been restricted to the sites I visit via the Treo (outside of
>>     
> flash or youtube.com type sites).
>   
>> I simply use http://www.mlvb. <http://www.mlvb.net> net or
>>     
> http://www.skweezer <http://www.skweezer.net/> .net/ to view most sites,
> especially those which automatically sense I am on a PDA and present the WAP
> version.
>   
>> Both sites allow you to go to the main site and then use the form to enter
>>     
> an URL or search word or term.
>   
>> You can also use them as standalone links such as
>>
>> http://www.skweezer <http://www.skweezer.net/skweeze.aspx?q=freep.com>
>>     
> .net/skweeze.aspx?q=freep.com
>   
>> or
>>
>> http://mlvb. <http://mlvb.net/nfl.com/> net/nfl.com/
>>
>> Using the freeware app Shortcut5, you can setup shortcuts to type the URLs
>>     
> for you.
>   
>> Typing .skw
>> can produce
>> http://www.skweezer <http://www.skweezer.net/skweeze.aspx?q=>
>>     
> .net/skweeze.aspx?q=
>   
>> Typing .mlvb
>> can produce
>> http://mlvb. <http://mlvb.net/> net/
>>
>> This work for most sites.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Carl W. Brooks
>> (Sent from my Sprint Treo 650)
>>
>> http://www.Palmloya <http://www.Palmloyal.com> l.com
>> Palm Podcasts, News, Software, Hardware, and More!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Craig Froehle" <craig.froehle@ <mailto:craig.froehle%40gmail.com>
>>     
> gmail.com>
>   
>> Date: Tuesday, Apr 10, 2007 9:49 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Treo] The Single Most Important Question
>>
>> try www.treobits.com
>>
>> On 4/10/07, Paul Blumstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:pbandj%40pobox.com> 
>> com>
>>     
> wrote:
>   
>> {Not really, but I did get your attention}
>>
>>
>>     
>>> Our browser works well with WAP sites and sites designed for mobile use.
>>>
>>>       
>>     
>>> Is there a directory of such sites?
>>>
>>>       
>>     
>>> If not, perhaps Joel will let us use the database feature or links
>>>
>>>       
>> feature of this group so that we may start one.
>>
>>
>>     
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>       
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>     
>
>   

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/The erasure of a human subspecies is largely painless -- to us -- if we 
know little enough about it. A dead Chinaman is of little import to us 
whose awareness of things Chinese is bounded by an occasional dish of 
chow mein. We grieve only for what we know./
       A Sand County Almanac, /Aldo Leopold, July 1949/


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