În 2014-01-03 16:11, [email protected] a scris:
"If the leadership or the hierarchy is denying him freedoms, he can
choose to overthrow that leadership or he can break from the group,"
Many hierarchies deny freedoms.
That doesn't make hierarchy wrong, that doesn't mean all hierarchies
deny freedom. I am against anarchy.
Only because you can re-gain your freedom doesn't make you more free
at the moment.
I have never stated otherwise.
If you see it that way, I could argue that proprietary software is not
so bad, since I can replace it with free software at any time.
No, proprietary software is always bad. Software is useful and is not
always bad. Free software is good.
Analogous, dictatorships are always bad. Hierarchy is useful and is not
always bad. Democracy implies hierarchy and it's good.
"If the leadership or the hierarchy is denying him freedoms, he can
choose to overthrow that leadership or he can break from the group,
becoming a lonely wolf and stay that way or build his own group. The
same goes with humans (and human history)."
You were originally claiming that animals value freedom above all.
They do. Not always they act accordingly, and not always humans act
accordingly as stated in my previous post.
The point that not every animal does what you're describing (becoming
a lonely wolf) proves you wrong.
As I said hierarchy is not bad, as software is not bad. They are useful.
Hierarchy can become bad if it turns to dictatorship and software can
become bad if applied a nonfree license.
There are many packs, groups, tribes, communities and societies of
animals/humans which are hierarchical and respect individual freedom.
But you somehow seem to believe that it's not a lack of freedom if you
can escape the situation somehow, even if putting yourself under
great risk (like an animal trying to fight against the leader or
maybe dying without the group).
I never stated that. Freedom is worth fighting for, because it's above
all, and that's the idea. When you feel oppressed, you need to take
action and free yourself. Fail to do that and you live miserably.
With this definition, almost everyone is perfectly free, even most
slaves,
The farmer with its slaves (which are not payed and don't have money nor
ID's to break from slavery) is a dictatorship kind of hierarchy. And
that is bad. Just like a developer with its proprietary software users.
and proprietary software is not a problem (you escape the
situation any time by replacing it with free software or not using a
computer).
It is a problem and you should act by replacing the proprietary software
with free software.
Like I said, also people under control of a tyrannic regime can
"choose to overthrow the leadership". This posibility doesn't make
them more free.
You used the same argument for marriage, but it leads you to serious
contradictions.
You make assumptions to invalidate my statements and reach
contradictions which are not mine, but your own.
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