>Personally, I don't think intellectual property or software patents deserve ANY RESPECT WHATSOEVER!

I largely agree with you here, but- just to be pedantic- aren't software patents a type of 'intellectual property' anyway? Regardless, it may also be worthy of note that we guard 'intellectual property' here in the free software community, in the form of protecting the copyright on works to keep them free ('copyleft'). Of course, you may disagree with this practice, or its ethics. However, I think the issue here is more that the function of intellectual property- to force one's ideas about how a work should be used onto others- can be right or wrong, depending on the specifics of a given situation. That said, it's censorship nonetheless- and it must be treated as such in considering its ethics.

>seriously... that's what allows people to abuse copyright for 70+ years and that's after the original creator is dead.

Unfortunately, a few thousand dollars and infamous mice go a long way in world politics.

>bs... the author doesn't care only the company does...

If you were referring to the above sentence, I'm not sure there IS anything to add. In a more general context, however, there are sadly more complexities. As an author, artist, or other person in a creative career, making money is obviously very difficult- or very easy, if you reach the highest ranks. For those at the bottom, the (financial) situation can often be very precarious. Although I can't provide any evidence, it would seem reasonable that a broken, tested system would be preferable to a superior but unknown (in the modern-day world) system for such people. For those at the top, the current system is obviously no apparent impediment- and, in a typical elitist attitude, that's all that matters.

>I understand the reasons for why we shouldn't leak anything, due to punishment from law enforcement, etc,

Does punishment from law enforcement justify not leaking though? It's obviously something that should be taken into consideration, but legality and morality are two different things.

>but the fact of the matter is, COPYRIGHT PATENTS SHOULD BE ILLEGAL!

If I may ask, was 'COPYRIGHT PATENTS' a single entity or two things meant to be joined by 'and'? I may be misunderstanding here, but copyright and patents are two different forms of 'intellectual property', covering separate things in separate ways. Regardless, they most certainly should be (although how the GPL would then work I don't know).

>especially considering all the proprietary malfeatures such as being locked in, being spied on, deceived, have your info sold for money, etc...

These are problematic indeed, but it's doubtful how much they have to do with copyright or patents. Besides the proliferation of proprietary book-, music-, and movie-access platforms, and the occasional software patent banning libre software, these are just an extra lawsuit or two for a leaker to live through. The big issues are trade secrets, for the developers, and EULAs (for any computer user). These keep the source code hidden and make use of the final product a game of legality-based hopscotch.

>If you want a piece of software something that can be emulated with free software but it costs money and has malfeatures, screw the people who add those malfeatures, do it your way not their way. Meaning, download it.

What exactly is the kind of software you had in mind here? I infer you mean something like game console emulation, but can't quite tell. In any case, absolutely true. It probably is much better to stay clear of such software entirely- many malfeatures are intricately integrated with features in such a way that liberation doesn't help, and running unnecessary proprietary software is not ideal- but when the choice is not yours, definitely download. That said, there are two things to consider here:

*If the software requires an Internet connection... it should be obvious. Either run in a VM with no internet (if possible), pay for the software, or just say "No!". It's always worth a try!

*No matter what, write an (anonymous) message to the developer stating what what you have done, and why. Don't take the anonymity lightly, but they deserve/need to know that at least one 'pirate' isn't merely a digital shoplifter.

>I mean the dmca only punishes the uploaders not the downloaders right?

Perhaps, but the downloader is not legally innocent anyway- their safety is because companies find suing uploaders pays higher dividends. Here, as always, a healthy dose of anonymity pays greatly for all involved (except the litigators).

>If I am wrong you may enlighten me but that's my theory.
The same here- although read the P.S. before discussing the term 'intellectual property', please.

P.S. I've used the term 'intellectual property' throughout. I'm fully aware of the arguments against it, and that most people here support those, but I believe it works well as a general-purpose noun for all forms of government-enforced monopolies on the use of concepts or expressions. Please correct me if I have used it to refer to anything less than their totality in the above.

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