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Hi Mike, I am glad that you got it figured out , at least 2 and 3. 5 is where I bogged really down. Regards, David On 3-Jan-10, at 12:13 PM, Mickel wrote: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > Hi David > I am finding that Trom is working well for me, I have had to drive > through a > lot of junk and confusions but am learning how these items on the time > track > hold me in one way or another. > > Pain, loss, desire, things like that seem to form a glue as I bring > these > things up into the present and use the level 2 process on them I can > see > that the idea in the mind that they lie on a timetrack disappears and > I am > actually looking at something that is in present time. > > It's a quite interesting phenomena and although I cannot explain it > very > well because it's sort of odd, all those things that appear as if they > are > in the past they only appear that way because of the charge, the force > or > energy that makes it seem that way. > > So this year I am going to be concentrating on level 2 and 3, my > journey of > exploring many forms of philosophy and all the various methods used in > all > the different practices is over. > > I had a deep insight into the way the timetrack is formed in the mind > on the > last day of last year and from that was able to form a goal to reach > level > 3. > > Well that's a relief, you ought to see the stuff I have ploughed > through in > the last few years, oh well, I learnt quite a few things along the way. > Best > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Pelly" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; "The Resolution of Mind list" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 3:22 AM > Subject: [TROM1] Clarification on ethics and morals. > > >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >> ************ >> >> Wow! It is good to have some data illuminated on the subject of >> ethics and morals from some place higher on the scale of intelligence >> and the ability to correctly reason and evaluate. >> >> I am now reading Excalibur Revisited and Geoffrey Filbert says that >> less than 1% of what is written and said in scientology is correct. >> >> When comparing the conventional scio data and Filbert's viewpoint / >> evaluation the difference becomes clear. >> >> It is so true that one datum cannot be evaluated, in order to >> evaluate >> something you need at least two datums and the more datums the >> better. >> >> You cannot evaluate scientology from within itself. You cannot KNOW >> and UNDERSTAND scientology from within itself. >> >> Excalibur Revisited is a refreshing, mind blowing read. Highly >> recommended. >> >> In reading Excalibur you will find lots of data of comparable >> magnitude. >> >> http://excaliburrevisited.eu.tt/ >> >> Thanks Leo. >> >> David >> >> >> On 2-Jan-10, at 9:47 PM, Leo Swart wrote: >> >>> ************* >>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>> ************ >>> >>> The subjects of Ethics and Morals were greatly confused in >>> Scientology >>> because after making a clear distinction between the two in is early >>> writings on them, LRH then proceeded to use the word "ethics" all >>> over >>> the >>> place when, by his own earlier definitions, he meant morals. The >>> subject >>> remained confusing and a quagmire for all until Mary Freeman sorted >>> it >>> out >>> and developed her First Dynamic Ethics program. >>> >>> >>> ETHICS: 1. Ethics is the application of reason in the attainment of >>> optimum >>> survival. At its most basic it means to bring into alignment a >>> person's >>> Beingness, Doingness and Havingness. >>> 2. Ethics actually consists, as we define it now in Scientology, of >>> rationality toward the highest level of survival for the individual, >>> the >>> future race, the group, and mankind, and the other dynamics of life >>> taken >>> collectively. Ethics are reason. The highest ethic level would be >>> long-term >>> survival concepts with minimal destruction, along any of the dynamics >>> of >>> life. >>> 3. Ethics is a personal thing. When one is ethical or "has his >>> ethics in" >>> it is by his own determination and is done entirely by himself out of >>> his >>> belief in his own honour, and good reason, as optimum solution across >>> his >>> eight dynamics. >>> >>> MORALS: A code of conduct which serves as a standard of acceptable >>> behaviour for the members of a group. It is usually derived from the >>> past >>> experience of that group or from revelations and commandments from >>> the >>> deity. They are the agreed upon codes of conduct of a society which >>> are >>> sometimes given the force of law. >>> >>> What is moral in one group could be considered to be totally immoral >>> by >>> another. Rules which were once pro-survival could become >>> contra-survival as >>> time and circumstances change. A hundred years ago it was considered >>> immoral to divorce; today it is considered immoral to continue in an >>> unhappy >>> marriage. >>> >>> Morals are an entirely arbitrary code of conduct and are not >>> necessarily >>> related to reason or good sense, but they are important in that they >>> make a >>> stable society possible. Morals relate to survival only insofar as >>> continued >>> membership of that group relates to survival. >>> >>> >>> As a rule of thumb one can safely say that if it can be written up as >>> a rule >>> to be followed (by self or others) then it is the field of Morals and >>> not >>> Ethics. In the CofS they ardently applied "ethics" to a person's >>> third >>> dynamic position in the Org while allowing his first dynamic >>> condition >>> to >>> remain in Treason or below. In fact it was often demanded that the >>> first >>> dynamic should be in a very low condition in order for him to be >>> acceptable >>> to the Org on the third. The insanity of this should be obvious to >>> all. >>> >>> One lives life on all dynamics simultaneously. To think one can >>> sacrifice >>> one dynamic so as to benefit another is as nutty as chopping one's >>> right leg >>> off so as to walk better on the left. All eight dynamics must be >>> brought up >>> into high conditions in order to travel the road to OT. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Trom mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> David >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2597 - Release Date: > 01/02/10 > 08:22:00 > > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > Best regards, David _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
