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Hello, Nice to see the resurgence of posts. I never actually learned TROM. It seemed so overwhelming to me. But I would like to share what I have been doing for the past year and how it has affected my life. I learned how to meditate from a Zen Buddhist monk and it has made a world of difference in the way I act and react to people and my environment. I've always been a procrastinator but made up my mind that I was going to devote myself to the daily practice of meditating and its the best move I ever made. I've become calmer, more patient and find it easier to experience joy. Lots of intangible effects and results from the practice that cant be explained in words but let me tell you... those monks know exactly what they are doing! I dont know how many of you are familiar with "The Sedona method" but this has made a big impact in my life as well. I highly recommend checking it out. I'm still very open to learning TROM but would really like it if someone here in Los Angeles could give me some personal one on one training with it. Please let me know. Glad to see everyone again. Mike
In a message dated 4/11/2010 10:20:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: ************* The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] ************ ************* The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] ************ Hi Mike, I thought I was the only one who had no idea of what ethics is. And after all this I have to say, other than a vague clue, I don't think I really do now either. I must have a case of ignorance and stupidity on that flow. And I have been dealing with matter for years, actually since I did Personal Values and Ethics in 97 in the cos. I think one def is : What is the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics. So if I rob someone for a million dollars that had many more millions, and use it to help a group of people from the bottom of the socio-economic scale to improve their lives, that is those who wold want the help, is it ethical to do so? Some what like Robin Hood did.... David On 2-Jan-10, at 3:10 PM, Mickel wrote: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > Thanks Pete, I have a much better understanding now, also, Thanks Leo, I knew I had a non understanding in here somewhere and it was to do with Ethics as LRH presented them in Scientology as mentioned on the tape by Dennis. >  > I couldn't see it myself but I have to admit I have no idea what ethics means and I probably have it confused with morals. >  > Funny, but my mind does not seem to work that way, I have no idea why people need to put that sort of thing in their minds, I know what is right and wrong, I don't need to look at a set of rules to tell me that. >  > Anyway, I will look those words up and listen to the tape again later. > Thanks for the help. > best > Mike >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Pete McLaughlin >> To: The Resolution of Mind list >> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 7:18 PM >> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 66, Issue 1 >> >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >> ************ >> >> HI Leo >> Dennis Stephens fails to mention that Axiom 31 is dependent on the point of view of the being taking the action. From the point of view of a human at the emotional and physical level of the expanded tone scale actions can be judged as having good or bad results. This is the condition that exists from tone 22 Games on down on the tone scale. >>  Above the level of the tone scale called Games we recognize that we are each different viewpoints of the same being and the things we do to each other are by mutual agreement and done to explore the effects the action will cause. As such there is no good or bad. >>  >> Above level 22 Games is like an old man playing chess with himself. There is no winner and no loser. >>  >> Therefore above the level of 22 games on the extended tone scale Axiom 31 is correct as written and below level 22 Games Dennis is correct. >>  >> Keep on TROMing >>  >> pete >>  >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]on Behalf Of Leo Faulhaber >> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:52 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 66, Issue 1 >>  >> 2010/1/2 <[email protected]> >> Send Trom mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Trom digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Trom and Axiom 31 (Mickel) >> 2. Re: Trom and Axiom 31 (Pete McLaughlin) >> 3. Re: Trom and Axiom 31 (Mickel) >> 4. Re: Trom and Axiom 31 (Leo) >> Hi to everyone >> It's the first time that I am posting here so I am not sure if I do it right. >> I listened several times to the tape "The Philosophy of TROM" and I think that I understood it quite well although it's quite hard to confront. >> Now here's my conclusions: >> Good or bad is an opinion if it has to do with morals. Morals regulate games, it is the rules how to play a specific game. >> Good or bad is not an opinion if it has to do with ethics. Ethics stands above games and regulates whether or not or how tough one should play games or a specific game. >> Leo >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 00:45:47 -0000 >> From: "Mickel" <[email protected]> >> Subject: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31 >> To: "The Resolution of Mind list" <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: <113913531b1f413da579dc9e14552...@everest> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Hi to Everyone and Hope you all have a good year in 2010. >> >> I have been listening to the talk "The Philosophy of Trom" today, and it's >> been hard work I can tell you. >> >> I think I had very little understanding of Axiom 31 when I first read it >> many years ago or probably I never worked it out properly for myself. >> >> By listening to this part of the lecture over and over again I am gradually >> getting it so my persistence is worthwhile. >> >> Some very interesting data in that talk and although I am still far from >> level 5 I can start to understand a bit about these goal packages. >> >> Best >> Mike >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:19:28 -0800 >> From: "Pete McLaughlin" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31 >> To: "The Resolution of Mind list" <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: <a09ed57097c549eb9c931541af15b...@toughboo05d7e2> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; >> reply-type=original >> >> HI Mickel >> >> Axiom 31. Goodness and badness, beautifulness and ugliness are alike >> considerations and have no other basis than opinion. >> >> >> >> Reducing axiom 31 to minimum it is "considerations are cosniderations." >> What part of the Philosophy of Trom leclture did you feel connected with >> this axiom? >> >> >> >> Sincerely >> >> >> >> Pete >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mickel" <[email protected]> >> To: "The Resolution of Mind list" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 4:45 PM >> Subject: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31 >> >> >> > ************* >> > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >> > ************ >> > Hi to Everyone and Hope you all have a good year in 2010. >> > >> > I have been listening to the talk "The Philosophy of Trom" today, and it's >> > been hard work I can tell you. >> > >> > I think I had very little understanding of Axiom 31 when I first read it >> > many years ago or probably I never worked it out properly for myself. >> > >> > By listening to this part of the lecture over and over again I am >> > gradually >> > getting it so my persistence is worthwhile. >> > >> > Some very interesting data in that talk and although I am still far from >> > level 5 I can start to understand a bit about these goal packages. >> > >> > Best >> > Mike >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Trom mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 10:13:17 -0000 >> From: "Mickel" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31 >> To: "Pete McLaughlin" <[email protected]>, "The Resolution of >> Mind list" <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: <101ed55adcc64b29aee91f6880c97...@everest> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Hi Pete >> There is something not right here in what Dennis is saying, either I have a >> huge MU here or He is not explaining what he means correctly. >> >> He seems to leave out our cultural agreements in his explanation, I can see >> what Dennis means from one angle but looking into my mind I can see that >> Goodness and Badness are considerations, I have particular opinions on what >> is good or bad which differ from other peoples considerations or opinions. >> >> It is true that if you tried to run a society in an Hedonistic way it would >> eventually collapse but our societies have rules and regulations on which >> the majority Agree. >> >> There are endless examples I can think up in which certain actions, beliefs >> and so on are right or Good in one country or amongst certain people that >> are totally wrong from another group of people viewpoints. >> >> Also, I look at it this way, within the mind we have words, symbols, points >> of agreement and so on, step outside the mind and Life IS! just as it is, a >> Being has now moved beyond cause and effect, beyond any questions or needing >> any answers, the polarities have merged. >> Best >> Mike >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Pete McLaughlin" <[email protected]> >> To: "The Resolution of Mind list" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:19 AM >> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31 >> >> >> > ************* >> > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >> > ************ >> > HI Mickel >> > >> > Axiom 31. Goodness and badness, beautifulness and ugliness are alike >> > considerations and have no other basis than opinion. >> > >> > >> > >> > Reducing axiom 31 to minimum it is "considerations are cosniderations." >> > What part of the Philosophy of Trom leclture did you feel connected with >> > this axiom? >> > >> > >> > >> > Sincerely >> > >> > >> > >> > Pete >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Mickel" <[email protected]> >> > To: "The Resolution of Mind list" <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 4:45 PM >> > Subject: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31 >> > >> > >> >> ************* >> >> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >> >> ************ >> >> Hi to Everyone and Hope you all have a good year in 2010. >> >> >> >> I have been listening to the talk "The Philosophy of Trom" today, and >> >> it's >> >> been hard work I can tell you. >> >> >> >> I think I had very little understanding of Axiom 31 when I first read it >> >> many years ago or probably I never worked it out properly for myself. >> >> >> >> By listening to this part of the lecture over and over again I am >> >> gradually >> >> getting it so my persistence is worthwhile. >> >> >> >> Some very interesting data in that talk and although I am still far from >> >> level 5 I can start to understand a bit about these goal packages. >> >> >> >> Best >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Trom mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Trom mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> > >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2596 - Release Date: 01/01/10 >> 09:20:00 >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> >> >> End of Trom Digest, Vol 66, Issue 1 >> *********************************** >>  >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2597 - Release Date: 01/02/10 08:22:00 > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > Best regards, David _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
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