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Hi Jon, First of all, to all readers, after reading the archives, and writing my last letter, I realized that it would be a good idea to create a "subject" to the letter that is as descriptive as possible to the content of the letter so that when people are searching the archives it would easier to find specific articles of interest, and not have to read through as much idle chatter or worse. So to the reader of the future who will find this letter in the archives my main letter is a few back and is titled "Greetings, I am back". It should of been titled "How I did TROM to L4. " Now to address your reply, Jon; I will intersperse a bit....
************* ************ Hi David, I read your post with great interest. I know the body sensation you are describing, in the solar plexus, for me it is a sinking or falling feeling and fluctuates in intensity. I think it is related to the GE. I once asked my GE what the problem was and got an instant picture of my ex-wife! But seriously, I think the GE craves physical contact, or more specifically, it has an urge to be close to a living mesomorphic field which isn't it's own, hence our love of family pets and our desire for physical closeness. I guess the GE is alone, and stuck with us, but has its own needs. D. Yes, you could be ( I should say "are" ) right about your idea on needing physical contact, love and nurturing, carresing and touching. (I only vaguely know about morphic fields from following the guys on T4R a bit. ) I have been trying to figure that one out also. One thing I have come to understand is that we have roughly four different brains. BTW, I took the seminars on Dr. Ryke Geerd Hamer's work: "The German New Medicine". That is some of the most amazing and helpful body of data in the world, if not the most useful and accurate body of data in the world for understanding the GE and it's diseases. Dr. Hamer has had a near 100% success rate in healing cancer and all diseases. Hamer's discoveries run on an exact parrellel to Dianetics tech discoveries, on the GE while Hubbard did his tech on the spirit to deal with the "bank". Or in other words Hamer did it on the biological and Hubbard did it on the psychological. If you recall Hubbard saying in Dianetics that he could not figure the GE engrams out and he also said that he hopes that someone someday will.... well Hamer did that to a "T". Visit" www.newmedicine.ca and www.germannewmedicine.ca and read these sites over to get some understanding of his work. And take any of the seminars being offered if you get a chance. Every scientologist or person interested in this area should take all the seminars. ( I don't call myself a scientologist. I am an unlimited free spirit. ) These two websites are run by students of Hamer. Hamer only speaks German. And there is a lot of new developments in the subject done since then, that is done by a lady (Yvette Peetermans ) who worked for Hamer for many years, that is not written into a book yet nor has a website that I am aware of. Now that being said I have learned that our genes are a complex recording of everything the GE has experienced since day one of it's original creation long ago. It is very complex and too complex to get into any detail here. But suffice it to say that the need for love, carressing and nurturing is a program. And programming ( implanting) occurs from everything our parents did to us from the time we were sparkle in their eyes (or maybe there was madness in their eyes and we conceived in the spirit of madness ) and before. If we were conceived in a spirit of madness, then we would have that "spirit" or layer of programming of madness as one of the layers on our "onion". If so, we will have a lot of problems. Our programming functions pretty much the same as computer programming. Garbage in, garbage out. Good stuff in, good stuff out. But our genetic programming is so much more complex. But the mechanics are similar once you understand it. And an angry conception would be or could be a conflicting implant on top of a more loving genetic recordings of previous generations. I think you should get the idea. I don't want to go to far into this here. I want to go and do some TROM. But my point is that if we have an earlier genetic "program" of being created in love and etc., and this life we are created in a spirit of anger it will be a conflicting datum and we will have a lot of problems with emotions in our life. I think you should get the idea. And with me there has been a lot of problems with this area of emotions in this life. I could never figure out what "love" was all my life. I have a very difficult time allowing someone to love me and and for me to "love" someone. And yet the need or desire is there. I see people passionate about "loving" and family and hugging and kissing and cuddling and I just can't relate to it. So I have not been able to get married and have children. What a fuck up, eh? But since I did Dianetics and scn and Hamer's work and Yvette's work, (Yvette is now only holding periodic seminars on her discoveries which she calls "psycho-geneology". ) She has the whole thing pretty well unreveled in ways that you cannot imagine now. She is supposed to be coming to Canada in January. She is from Belgium. That lump of pain in the solar plexus has been there since childhood for me. It was a bitch to live with it. That is the short story as you might be able to imagine. But that lump of pain is gone now. So I can relate to what you wrote, well. From what I can tell so far from TROM is that TROM should be able to deal with any program. Once we understand this stuff, we should be able to program, deprogram and reprogram ourselves like computer software. Like Dennis said, there is nothing the being can't do once it knows how to do it. If we can live more in sync with our GE (or exorcise it as Filbert suggests), D. I read some of Filbert's stuff. and pay some attention to her needs, I think it can help these kinds of sensations, which is the GE's way of communicating with the Thetan. Funnily enough, I recently started smoking again having been off them for 17 years. The sensation in the solar plexus has barely troubled me since and is lesser in intensity. I know this sounds a bit ridiculous, but I guess my GE was addicted to nicotine and although I beat it, it probably never did! D. Yes, you only suppressed the smoking habit with sheer "will" and put another program on top. The way to correct the problem is to erase the original program. I have seen processes for that somewhere. But TROM should be able to do it. I don't see any reason why note. It just takes some doing. Thank God I don't have the smoking or drinking or drug habits to deal with. With regard to asking Christ for help, I find that almost always works, His grace is always there for the taking, but many of us want to find our own way rather than rely on Him, which I guess it is our free will perogative to do so. But in a crisis, He will always help. D. Yes, I see it much similar to what you describe. And that is the way it is supposed to be. We want to figure things out for ourselves, but like good parents to children the parents are there when we need help. Regards, David Best Regards, J On 23 December 2010 20:50, David M. Pelly wrote: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > > > This is a test email to see if my connection to the list is working. > > I changed email addresses on the list form back in November and I did not > receive any list mail, I thought for awhile that the list was just quite, > but I wasn't sure so I applied again a while back and again nothing > happened, and I now learned that it did not go through each time. > > I reapplied again a few days ago and again nothing happened. > > So I wrote Pete and he apparently did something and told me it is now > working. > > > So while I am here I will write more.... > > I checked the archives and I see that there has been a lot of activity that > I missed. > > But nevertheless all the time I have been working as much TROM as my mind > can handle and the going has been tough, actually worse than tough, it has > been brutal. > > There were times that I thought I was going to die and life was too > miserable to carry on with. > > If you have listened to Judith's tape to Dennis she mentions that she was > doing level 4 and experiencing body sensations, etc and did not know what to > do with them and sounded very frustrated. > > Well, I was encountering the same thing. > > And lots of it. These sensations were bothering me since childhood and with > a lot of will power I learned to suppress them and form a valence to live on > top of it. > > But I eventually learned that operating from a valence with all the crap > buried, is a very weak and problematic way to live. > > It surfaces when the going of life gets tough and then I crashed many > times over the years. > > Now in L4 I hit the same stuff as Judith did. > > Dennis says to just time break it. > > Well that is easier said than done. > > But it can be done and has to be done. > > My body sensations, head sensations, mind sensations lasted for weeks at a > time. I TB ed all the way as much as I could do. > > But they seem to be mostly gone now. > > There is bit left and they only get restimulated when I am out and about in > the rough and tumble of daily life. > > I keep vigilant and conscious of what is going on and time break on the go > as much as possible. > > I find it easy to TB while walking. > > These issues now seem to come up for me, quite easily. > > > Hi David, I read your post with great interest. I know the body sensation you are describing, in the solar plexus, for me it is a sinking or falling feeling and fluctuates in intensity. I think it is related to the GE. I once asked my GE what the problem was and got an instant picture of my ex-wife! But seriously, I think the GE craves physical contact, or more specifically, it has an urge to be close to a living mesomorphic field which isn't it's own, hence our love of family pets and our desire for physical closeness. I guess the GE is alone, and stuck with us, but has its own needs. If we can live more in sync with our GE (or exorcise it as Filbert suggests), and pay some attention to her needs, I think it can help these kinds of sensations, which is the GE's way of communicating with the Thetan. Funnily enough, I recently started smoking again having been off them for 17 years. The sensation in the solar plexus has barely troubled me since and is lesser in intensity. I know this sounds a bit ridiculous, but I guess my GE was addicted to nicotine and although I beat it, it probably never did! With regard to asking Christ for help, I find that almost always works, His grace is always there for the taking, but many of us want to find our own way rather than rely on Him, which I guess it is our free will perogative to do so. But in a crisis, He will always help. Best Regards, J On 23 December 2010 20:50, David M. Pelly <[email protected]> wrote: ************* The following message is relayed to you by �[email protected] ************ � This is a test email to see if� my connection to the list is working. � I changed email addresses on the list form back in November� and I did not receive any list mail,� I thought for awhile that the list was just quite, but I wasn't sure so I applied again a while back and again nothing happened, and I now learned that it did not go through each time. � I reapplied again a few days ago and again nothing happened. � So I wrote Pete and� he apparently did something and told me it is now working. � � So while I am here I will write more.... � I checked the archives and I see that there has been a lot of activity that I missed. � But nevertheless all the time I have been working as much TROM as my mind can handle and the going has been tough, actually worse than tough, it has been brutal. � There were times that I thought I was going to die and life was too miserable to carry on with. � If you have listened to Judith's tape to Dennis she mentions that she was doing level 4 and experiencing body sensations, etc and did not know what to do with them and sounded very frustrated. � Well, I was encountering the same thing. � And lots of it. These sensations were bothering me since childhood and with a lot of will power�I learned to suppress them and form a valence to live on top of it. � But I eventually learned that operating from a valence� with all the crap buried, is a very weak and problematic way to live. � It surfaces when the going of life gets tough and then I crashed� many times over the years. � Now in L4 I hit the same stuff as Judith did. � Dennis says to� just time break it. � Well that is easier said than done. � But it can be done and has to be done. � My body sensations, head sensations, mind sensations lasted for weeks at a time.� I� TB ed all the way as much as I could do. � But they seem to be mostly gone now. � There is bit left and they only get restimulated when I am out and about in the rough and tumble of daily life. � I keep vigilant and conscious of what is going on and time break on the go as much as possible. � I find it easy to TB� while walking. � These issues now seem to come up for me, ��quite easily. � � _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
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