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Leonico, when you mentioned in your letter to me, that all games are supposed to be fun, which I think LRH and DHS both said, reminds me of the American Country and Western Singer, I think his name is Wllie Nelson, it could off been someone else, but who ever it was, the name of the song is: The Trouble with Trouble The Trouble with trouble is it starts out fun. Etc. Every circumstance of trouble I ever evaluated, that myself or others got into , indeed did start out as fun. In line with what Slim wrote.... I reason the reason that fun turns in to trouble, is that life goals were not exactly pursued. Non life goals turn fun in to trouble. This incident came to mind: A couple days ago in Ottawa, Canada the son of a former Premier of Newfoundland (Brian Tobin), was drinking in a bar with his best long time friend and had parked his pickup truck on the top level of a parkade. When they came out of the bar he thought it would be a good idea to have some fun and make a few doughnuts on the snow ice on the floor of the parkade with his pickup, with his friend looking on. Some how he hit his friend and killed him. That is fun turning into trouble of the worst kind. David From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 13:18:17 -0500 Subject: [TROM1] Leoncio's post on "sleep problem" ************* The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] ************ Dear Leoncio, When I read your letter I was getting rushes and goose bumps and pictures and thoughts. I am sure that if I was on a meter it would be going all over the place or what ever it is supposed to do. So I think you likely hit the nail on the head. It sure gives me something to work with. All kinds of images were popping up when I was first reading your letter. At the least it will give me an entrance to the issue which alluded me and many others. Thanks a lot. David From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 09:06:03 -0200 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TROM1] BT (Body Thetan) was Re: Possession ************* The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] ************ Hi David This is my point of view. It seems to me that your snap is just a survival ("an escape from a rough & dangerous reality") strategy, learned from your dad, and with your dad. < I had this problem since I was about 14> What happens one to four months before your fist "nap"? TB it all. Remember and TB all events you had being beaten or even threatened by your dad. You probably got stressed already, but you were on your feet and busy physically. You avoided sleep but got confused and disoriented. You were just urging for a nap. You should. That was a safety procedure that some drivers in my country should take to prevent accidents, but don't. The auditing (and TB too) is a technique to face our fear. It is normal to use our escape strategies when dealing with. You snapped. I got cold. Most procrastinate. When you do RI you know that you are preparing to do more timebreaks (facing your fears). It can give you a lot of stress, also. It is the same as classroom changing at 14: you don't sleep, but urges for a snap. As stated by Zivorad, "walk-ins" always feel their reality a strange one. The only way we can take rid of ours fear is facing them without escape. We hate the fear we feel when we look at them. But we must want to feel our fear until we got accustomed to them. Then we will be freed. Your main problem with facing you fears is that you must be aware to decide it. So your reactive mind will "snap" you every time your fear got to high. Try to see in your snap the game with your reactive mind, and try to see the fun in it, because all games are to be fun. You started trom and reduced the snaps. You are getting better. You are getting accustomed to yours fears. Sooner or later you will be free. I hope it helps. > > Le�ncio Saraiva Madruga Hi David This is my point of view.� It seems to me that your snap is just a survival ("an escape from a rough & dangerous reality") strategy, learned from your dad, and with your dad. � < I had this problem since I was about 14>� What happens one to four months before your fist "nap"? TB it all. Remember and TB all events you had being beaten or even threatened by your dad. You probably got stressed already, but you were on your feet and busy physically. You avoided sleep but got confused and�disoriented. You were just urging for a nap. You should. That was a safety procedure that some drivers in my country should take to prevent accidents, but don't.� The auditing (and TB too) is a technique to face our fear. It is normal to use our escape strategies when dealing with. You snapped. I got cold. Most procrastinate. �� When you do RI you know that you are preparing to do more timebreaks (facing your fears). It can give you a lot of stress, also. It is the same as classroom changing at 14: you don't sleep, but urges for a snap.� As stated by Zivorad, "walk-ins" always feel their reality a strange one.� The only way we can take rid of ours fear is facing them without escape. We hate the fear we feel when we look at them. But we must want to feel our fear until we got�accustomed�to them. Then we will be freed. Your main problem with facing you fears is that you must be aware to decide it. So your reactive mind will "snap" you every time your fear got to high.� Try to see in your snap the game with your reactive mind, and try to see the fun in it, because all games are to be fun.� You started�trom�and reduced the snaps. You are getting better. You are getting accustomed to�yours fears. Sooner or later you will be free. I hope it helps. Le�ncio Saraiva Madruga _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom Dear Leoncio, When I read your letter I was getting rushes and goose bumps and pictures and thoughts. I am sure that if I was on a meter it would be going all over the place or what ever it is supposed to do. So I think you likely hit the nail on the head. It sure gives me something to work with. All kinds of images were popping up when I was first reading your letter. At the least it will give me an entrance to the issue which alluded me and many others. Thanks a lot. David From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 09:06:03 -0200 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TROM1] BT (Body Thetan) was Re: Possession ************* The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] ************ Hi David This is my point of view. It seems to me that your snap is just a survival ("an escape from a rough & dangerous reality") strategy, learned from your dad, and with your dad. < I had this problem since I was about 14> What happens one to four months before your fist "nap"? TB it all. Remember and TB all events you had being beaten or even threatened by your dad. You probably got stressed already, but you were on your feet and busy physically. You avoided sleep but got confused and disoriented. You were just urging for a nap. You should. That was a safety procedure that some drivers in my country should take to prevent accidents, but don't. The auditing (and TB too) is a technique to face our fear. It is normal to use our escape strategies when dealing with. You snapped. I got cold. Most procrastinate. When you do RI you know that you are preparing to do more timebreaks (facing your fears). It can give you a lot of stress, also. It is the same as classroom changing at 14: you don't sleep, but urges for a snap. As stated by Zivorad, "walk-ins" always feel their reality a strange one. The only way we can take rid of ours fear is facing them without escape. We hate the fear we feel when we look at them. But we must want to feel our fear until we got accustomed to them. Then we will be freed. Your main problem with facing you fears is that you must be aware to decide it. So your reactive mind will "snap" you every time your fear got to high. Try to see in your snap the game with your reactive mind, and try to see the fun in it, because all games are to be fun. You started trom and reduced the snaps. You are getting better. You are getting accustomed to yours fears. Sooner or later you will be free. I hope it helps. > > Le�ncio Saraiva Madruga Hi David This is my point of view.� <I get a tired spell which�I fall asleep for 5-10-15 or even 30 minutes ( depending how much stress I am under)... �This is not due to a lack of sleep> It seems to me that your snap is just a survival ("an escape from a rough & dangerous reality") strategy, learned from your dad, and with your dad. � < I had this problem since I was about 14>� What happens one to four months before your fist "nap"? TB it all. <I think the problem is due to getting a lot of severe beatings as a kid� for being a bad boy, from dad. of which the earliest occurred at about 4 or 5 yrs of age.> Remember and TB all events you had being beaten or even threatened by your dad. <Besides the sleep problem in school, I would always get lost when changing class rooms and going to the washroom. > You probably got stressed already, but you were on your feet and busy physically. You avoided sleep but got confused and�disoriented. You were just urging for a nap. <I could not put� "stopped for nap" �in my log� books.> You should. That was a safety procedure that some drivers in my country should take to prevent accidents, but don't.� <I�would "pass out"� a few minutes after getting "in� session".� It was extremely difficult for me to get audited. And frustrating.> The auditing (and TB too) is a technique to face our fear. It is normal to use our escape strategies when dealing with. You snapped. I got cold. Most procrastinate. �� <Now when I do TROM and especially R!s,� I usually pass out.> When you do RI you know that you are preparing to do more timebreaks (facing your fears). It can give you a lot of stress, also. <I find RIs pretty difficult to do.� But I do do some.�I usually pass out after doing TBing if I am sitting on my sofa chair doing it.�I guess that is why I get better results while walking.> It is the same as classroom changing at 14: you don't sleep, but urges for a snap.� <Could these be considered "walk-ins".� If you know what walk-ins are?> As stated by Zivorad, "walk-ins" always feel their reality a strange one.� The only way we can take rid of ours fear is facing them without escape. We hate the fear we feel when we look at them. But we must want to feel our fear until we got�accustomed�to them. Then we will be freed. Your main problem with facing you fears is that you must be aware to decide it. So your reactive mind will "snap" you every time your fear got to high.� Try to see in your snap the game with your reactive mind, and try to see the fun in it, because all games are to be fun.� You started�trom�and reduced the snaps. You are getting better. You are getting accustomed to�yours fears. Sooner or later you will be free. I hope it helps. Le�ncio Saraiva Madruga _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
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