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Dear Ant,

Thank you for responding.

At the same time I want to express my appreciation for keeping TROM in 
public view for so many years notwithstanding your slightly skeptical 
attitude towards TROM and Dennis.

For myself - TROM has been a revelation of magnitude. Whenever I am in a 
quandary about something I re-read TROM. I have decided that 2011 will 
be the year in which I complete level 5.

I have allowed myself to be distracted by a large number of other rave 
practices the last 10 years.

To sooth my ego of being thought of as a blinkered believer I am willing 
to discuss the merits and demerits of other related practices.

I hope you have a very happy new year and keep Ivy mag going for as long 
as there is breath in your thetan. lol

Regards,

Martin



On 2/Jan/2011 12:01, Ant Phillips wrote:
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> At 21:51 01-01-2011, Martin Foster wrote:
>> I would be very interested in the two early processes you mention that
>> Time-breaking is based on.
> I do not think I have claimed that it is "based on" anything. Merely
> that these processes bore a resemblance to time breaking. (But that is
> perhaps an over pedantic remark - all that happened was that when I
> first read TROM, the part on Time Breaking, I immediately recalled those
> processes.)
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> In 1956 Over and Under Solids (my red volume II-554)
> in 1956 Before and after Solids (my red volume II -488
> in 1957 Then and Now Solids (my red volume III page 33, commands page 8)
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>> ... black case. Did John also complain of this?
> Not to me. It arose, because he was some what insistent (almost to the
> point of rudeness, or of insinuating I was an idiot :-) ) on me
> explaining why I was not using TROM. I wished to remain friendly, so
> answered, truthfully. (And felt a bit as though I got mud slung in my
> face as a result :-) ) The reason (something that happened many years
> ago) was concerned with me thinking I was a black case, and associated
> frustrations in trying to do Time Breaking. I referred him to a very
> full explanation of the circumstances, which is in one of the Replays in
> the Archives, and the last time I sent it out, I added something about
> Black Case to the subject, to make it easier to find.
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>> I have now carefully read his replies to you my dear Ant and wonder
>> why you did not refer him to someone on this list who doesn't find
>> TROM difficult to understand?.
> I referred him to the list. I certainly do not consider my self
> competent to decide who on the list is competent and who is not, which
> is why I mentioned no names.
>
>> Why on earth did John have David Pelly and yourself as advisers for TROM?
> I would not know, and it is a trifle difficult to find out at this point
> in time. My guess is that, so far as I am concerned, he might have seen
> that I ran the list for years (though again, I am a little puzzled,
> since I contribute rarely to the list). So far as David is concerned, I
> guess it is because he sent a general cry for help to the list, and
> David, who is frequently ready to help, helped. But it is a bit late to
> ask that questions, and perhaps a waste of time to speculate. :-)
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> All best wishes,
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> Ant
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