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Thanks for providing your critique and point of view. David Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 15:27:21 -0400 From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TROM1] Mass killings ************* The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] ************ Man, that is so messed up. First, while there is some evidence that psychopaths are more likely to have had an absent father, there's no evidence I've ever seen that women working outside the home tend to have psychopathic children. This is just Hubbard spouting misogyny again - which is odd, since he had lots of women working for him. It can plainly be seen that countries where women have fuller rights and participation in society are among the safest, the most enlightened, the most educated, and the best places in the world to live, while the most male-dominated societies are also among the most brutal. No surprise that people with fascist leanings are always trying to push women back into the homes and into the margins of public life. On the other hand, Hubbard's personal life certainly had lots of "perversion, hedonism, drugs, alcohol, negative ethics and morals," according to many reports, so maybe he was just attributing his own vices to others (also typical of fascist minds). As for the idea that we have no successful women, all I can say is that you must be living in a cave not to see them everywhere. On 7/24/2012 3:05 PM, David M. Pelly wrote: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > > > > I had first wrote this up and posted it on Ifachat and thought it > would be good to post it here too: > > > > Here is the root cause of the mass killings....... > > (I quoted LRH from Science of survival and put it below my post.) > > > > The psychos who are doing the murders are mostly second and third > generation children who are products of the hippie mothers and the > like of the 60's . Conceived in conditions of perversion, hedonism, > drugs, alcohol, negative ethics and morals. Two and three generations > of deterioration. > > What is going on today and especially beginning in the 50'a and > 60's, with women participating in man's world is analogous to Nero > fiddling while Rome burns. > > In the wake of the recent massacre in Colorado, it's the result of > women leaving the home and playing in man's world while America is > deteriorating and massacaring itself and going down the downward > spiral, (the toilet bowl effect) with increasing > schitzophrenia, perversely bred and emotionally unnourished children, > while it argues to defend it's hedonism, vices, supidity, ignorance, > insanity and freedom and right to do so. > > A nation, a society is only as sane and stable as it's mothers, homes > and families. > > All our problems are the result of unGodly breeding and lifestyle > practices. > > Hubbard truly knew the root cause of the problems of the person as is > evident in his writings. > > A nation will decay and destroy itself at a rate directly proportional > to the numbers of mothers leaving the home and care of children and men > and competing with men in their world. > > Some women think that they are going to go out and save the world while > leaving the home, children and men to the vain whims of hedonism and > doest what thou will do. > > That is very shallow, short sighted , mindless thinking. In fact it > is backward thinking. > > Hubbard said those who seek such pleasures will experience unpleasant > effects. > > The shootings are some of the unpleasant effects. > > I guess it is actually the ultimate unpleasant effects. > > It used to be said that behind every successful man there is a > successful woman. > > Today for all practical purposes we have no successful women. > > For everything genuine there is a perfect counterfeit. > > The successful career woman and the successful business woman is a > counterfeit, a phoney, a deluded, misguided woman. > > This is not misogyny. > > This is for the love of women, children and preservation of humanity. > > Using the Hubbard chart of human evaluation as a measuring stick, > pretty well everyone in the USA is very low in column "P" on that chart. > Somewhere around 1.1 and lower. > > Hubbard could of done better by including the essence of the article > (below), more specifically, more clearly at > the appropriate tone level in the column in "P"; attitude towards > children. > > Something like "neglect of children". > > That should be in 1.1, maybe even lower at 0.5...apathy. > > But he makes up for it in column "S" at 0.5 ... (not thinking). > > This "modern" woman insanity has spread throughout most of the world > by contagion. > > A lie repeated enough times becomes a stable datum, but a false stable > datum. > > The only true successful woman is a successful wife, mother and > homemaker. > > Woe be on to the nation who does not heed this data. > > We are only as good as we have been bred and brought up. > > We are products. > > You have a problem with the product, check the factory, not the product. > > I even question if these so called people have a soul, never mind a > thetan? > > I think it is just GE. > > David > > > > > > > >From Science of Survival: > > Quote: > > The whole future of the race depends > upon it's attitude toward children; and a race which specializes in > women for "menial purposes", or which thinks that the contest of > the sexes in the sphere of business and politics is a worthier > endeavour than the creation of tomorrow's generation, is a race which > is dying. We have, in the woman who is an ambitious rival of the man > in his own activities, a woman whom is neglecting the most important > mission she may have. A society which looks down upon this mission > and in which women are taught anything but, the care of men, and the > creation of the future generation is a society, which is on the way > out. The historian can peg the point where a society begins it's > sharpest decline at the instant when a woman begins to take part, on > an equal footing with men, in political and business affairs; since > this means that men are decadent and the women are no longer women. > This is not a sermon on the role or position of women: it is a > statement of bald and basic fact. When children become unimportant > to a society, that society has forfeited it's future. Even beyond the > fathering and bearing and rearing of children, a human being does not > seem to be complete without a relationship with a member of the > opposite sex. This relationship is the vessel where in is nurtured > the life force of both individuals, whereby they create the future of > the race in body and thought. If man is to rise to greater heights, > than woman must rise with him, or even before him. But she must rise > as a woman and not as today she is being misled into rising as_ > man. It is the hideous joke of frustrated, unvirile men to make women > over into the travesty of which men have themselves become. > > Men are difficult and troublesome > creatures- but valuable. The creative care and handling of men is an > artful and beautiful task. Those who would cheat women out of their > rightful place by making them into men should at least realize that > by this action they are destroying not only the women but men and > children as well. This is too great a price to pay for being "modern" > or for someone's petty anger or spite against the female sex. > > The arts and skills of woman, the > creation and inspiration of which she is capable and which -- here > and there in isolated places in our culture- she still manages to > effect in spite of the ruin and decay of man's world which spreads > around her, must be brought newly and fully into life. These arts and > skills and creation and inspiration are her beauty, just as she is > the beauty of mankind. > > End of quote > > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom Man, that is so messed up. First, while there is some evidence that psychopaths are more likely to have had an absent father, there's no evidence I've ever seen that women working outside the home tend to have psychopathic children. This is just Hubbard spouting misogyny again - which is odd, since he had lots of women working for him. It can plainly be seen that countries where women have fuller rights and participation in society are among the safest, the most enlightened, the most educated, and the best places in the world to live, while the most male-dominated societies are also among the most brutal. No surprise that people with fascist leanings are always trying to push women back into the homes and into the margins of public life. On the other hand, Hubbard's personal life certainly had lots of "perversion, hedonism, drugs, alcohol, negative ethics and morals," according to many reports, so maybe he was just attributing his own vices to others (also typical of fascist minds). As for the idea that we have no successful women, all I can say is that you must be living in a cave not to see them everywhere. On 7/24/2012 3:05 PM, David M. Pelly wrote: ************* The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] ************ I had first wrote this up and posted it on Ifachat and thought it would be good to post it here too: Here is the root cause of the mass killings....... (I quoted LRH from Science of survival and put it below my post.) The psychos who are doing the murders are mostly second and third generation children who are products of the hippie mothers and the like of the 60's . Conceived in conditions of perversion, hedonism, drugs, alcohol, negative ethics and morals. Two and three generations of deterioration. What is going on today and especially beginning in the 50'a and 60's, with women participating in man's world is analogous to Nero fiddling while Rome burns. In the wake of the recent massacre in Colorado, it's the result of women leaving the home and playing in man's world while America is deteriorating and massacaring itself and going down the downward spiral, (the toilet bowl effect) with increasing schitzophrenia, perversely bred and emotionally unnourished children, while it argues to defend it's hedonism, vices, supidity, ignorance, insanity and freedom and right to do so. A nation, a society is only as sane and stable as it's mothers, homes and families. All our problems are the result of unGodly breeding and lifestyle practices. Hubbard truly knew the root cause of the problems of the person as is evident in his writings. A nation will decay and destroy itself at a rate directly proportional to the numbers of mothers leaving the home and care of children and men and competing with men in their world. Some women think that they are going to go out and save the world while leaving the home, children and men to the vain whims of hedonism and doest what thou will do. That is very shallow, short sighted , mindless thinking. In fact it is backward thinking. Hubbard said those who seek such pleasures will experience unpleasant effects. The shootings are some of the unpleasant effects. I guess it is actually the ultimate unpleasant effects. It used to be said that behind every successful man there is a successful woman. Today for all practical purposes we have no successful women. For everything genuine there is a perfect counterfeit. The successful career woman and the successful business woman is a counterfeit, a phoney, a deluded, misguided woman. This is not misogyny. This is for the love of women, children and preservation of humanity. Using the Hubbard chart of human evaluation as a measuring stick, pretty well everyone in the USA is very low in column "P" on that chart. Somewhere around 1.1 and lower. Hubbard could of done better by including the essence of the article (below), more specifically, more clearly at the appropriate tone level in the column in "P"; attitude towards children. Something like "neglect of children". That should be in 1.1, maybe even lower at 0.5...apathy. But he makes up for it in column "S" at 0.5 ... (not thinking). This "modern" woman insanity has spread throughout most of the world by contagion. A lie repeated enough times becomes a stable datum, but a false stable datum. The only true successful woman is a successful wife, mother and homemaker. Woe be on to the nation who does not heed this data. We are only as good as we have been bred and brought up. We are products. You have a problem with the product, check the factory, not the product. I even question if these so called people have a soul, never mind a thetan? I think it is just GE. David >From Science of Survival: Quote: The whole future of the race depends upon it's attitude toward children; and a race which specializes in women for “menial purposes”, or which thinks that the contest of the sexes in the sphere of business and politics is a worthier endeavour than the creation of tomorrow's generation, is a race which is dying. We have, in the woman who is an ambitious rival of the man in his own activities, a woman whom is neglecting the most important mission she may have. A society which looks down upon this mission and in which women are taught anything but, the care of men, and the creation of the future generation is a society, which is on the way out. The historian can peg the point where a society begins it's sharpest decline at the instant when a woman begins to take part, on an equal footing with men, in political and business affairs; since this means that men are decadent and the women are no longer women. This is not a sermon on the role or position of women: it is a statement of bald and basic fact. When children become unimportant to a society, that society has forfeited it's future. Even beyond the fathering and bearing and rearing of children, a human being does not seem to be complete without a relationship with a member of the opposite sex. This relationship is the vessel where in is nurtured the life force of both individuals, whereby they create the future of the race in body and thought. If man is to rise to greater heights, than woman must rise with him, or even before him. But she must rise as a woman and not as today she is being misled into rising as_ man. It is the hideous joke of frustrated, unvirile men to make women over into the travesty of which men have themselves become. Men are difficult and troublesome creatures- but valuable. The creative care and handling of men is an artful and beautiful task. Those who would cheat women out of their rightful place by making them into men should at least realize that by this action they are destroying not only the women but men and children as well. This is too great a price to pay for being “modern” or for someone's petty anger or spite against the female sex. The arts and skills of woman, the creation and inspiration of which she is capable and which – here and there in isolated places in our culture- she still manages to effect in spite of the ruin and decay of man's world which spreads around her, must be brought newly and fully into life. These arts and skills and creation and inspiration are her beauty, just as she is the beauty of mankind. End of quote _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
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