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Thanks Paul,

Very excellent and useful points made.

Thanks again,

David



> From: [email protected]
> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 12:10:12 -0700
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [TROM1]  Help wanted
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> Hi David,
> 
> Let me say that in the end you will have to go judicial.  Only by  
> that means can this situation be put to bed permanently.
> 
> First off.  Make sure that the land use neighbor will continue to  
> want to retain his contractual right to use the land and do that  
> until the agreement runs out.  Look into the agreement and see if  
> there is any means to extend that agreement.  That will give you the  
> possibility of extending the contract further out in time.
> 
> There is always the possibility that the neighbor could sell his  
> contract.  He has the right to do that all on his own.  You might let  
> him know that his best option is to use the land through the  
> contractual period and then sell.  That will give him many years of  
> use which is worth something and then sell later or extend.  The use  
> contract can be looked at as both use and money in the bank when he  
> wishes to sell.  He then can see that he has two actions which are of  
> value to him and he should take advantage of both.  Meaning don't  
> sell until much later.
> 
> This is basically a means to keep the farm out of the banks hands.   
> Right now it is your only option.  You must be upfront and open with  
> him for he is your only hope at the moment.  If you will, pray that  
> he doesn't wind up in a situation where he personally needs and could  
> use the money by selling the use contract.  However should the lender  
> really want to close this situation out, he can continue to make  
> higher and higher offers to sell to entice the neighbor to sell.   
> Theoretically the bank can make bids all the way up to $50,000 and  
> close out their loan and take the collateral, the farm in exchange  
> for their loan.  Take it by foreclosure once all liens and  
> contractual restrictions and whatever claims have been eliminated  
> save theirs.
> 
> Now to address the situation with the bank.  I am not familiar with  
> the laws but in the US, one can sue lenders for being predatory and  
> opportunistic.  Your description definitely fits this area.  Fraud is  
> not involved and use of the term will only weaken and reduce your  
> argument.  The best and only way to use the term is 'alleged fraud'  
> for only a court can determine and pronounce something a fraud and  
> you will be operating within an area where this is a truth.   
> Unsubstantiated claims come across as emotional sour grapes in this  
> arena and a sign that the person making those statements has no idea  
> what he is doing.  When you go judicial you can allege fraud in your  
> suit along with everything else.
> 
> You will have to get legal counsel to home you in on what laws to  
> attack with and you will have to sue to clear this away.  Without  
> doing that you can threaten at this time until such point that you  
> have the wherewithall to go legal.  You should be able to use the  
> internet to discover what 'codes' both civil, criminal and  
> governmental that you can use.  The best way to start is to talk to a  
> realtor or real estate broker to find out how Canada names its codes  
> concerning real estate so that you know where and how to search.
> You can also contact law enforcement to get a clue where to search  
> for criminal predatory and opportunistic illegal acts along with  
> attempts to defraud as well as defraud.
> 
> Paul
> 
> On Aug 3, 2012, at 10:27 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> 
> > Dear Trommers,
> >
> > I have a legal problem  as explained below:
> >
> > Is there anyone with any law back ground or just good old common  
> > sense  that can help me solve this problem:
> >
> > (Note:  I posted this question on: "JustAnswer"  on line and a week  
> > has went by and no one  has yet answered.
> >
> > Do not worry that this is a Canadian situation.
> >
> > Common Law is based on common sense and good judgement and good  
> > understanding of right and wrong. This is universal.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any advice.
> >
> > David
> >
> > Problem:
> >
> > I have a brother who  lives on a farm in Manitoba, which he inherited
> > from our parents, who died in 2006 and 2007.    I am Arnold's oldest
> > brother and I live in Cambridge, Ontario.   I am on perment disability
> > pension.    I cannot travel there to handle the affairs.    We cannot
> > afford legal battles or costs of any kind.
> >
> > Arnold is not capable of farming the land. Arnold is poorly  
> > educated and considered mentally
> > handicapped, not capable of making sound decisions (having imparied
> > judgement)  on any significant or even basic matters. Arnold works  
> > part
> > time or seasonal at best.    Arnold has a very bad credit history.
> > Arnold is considered in the community as being a few cards short of a
> > full deck. Any sufficiently educated or and mentally or intellectually
> > competent person that knows Arnold,  would atest to that.
> >
> > In 2009
> > Arnold  needed some money and went to a mortgage company to get a  
> > loan.
> > He used the farm as collateral.  The farm is or could be worth around
> > $50,000. The head office of the mortgage company is in Richmond Hill,
> > Ontario.
> >
> > Some how the mortgage company gave him a loan for $50,000.
> > How? I do not know.   It is beyond me how he qualified for a loan.  I
> > have to assume that the lender was opportunistic.
> >
> > The interest rate is 15.9% and the incidental charges for late  
> > payments etc.  are
> > astronomical.  $250.00 to $400.00 for infraction or actions.   The  
> > list is long and insane.
> >
> >  I think Arnold made a couple of payments at the beginning. And non  
> > since.
> >
> > As of now the mortgage company wants to foreclose on the property  
> > and has listed the property for sale and I am
> > told,  has three offers as of last week.
> >
> > The saving grace for the moment, at least,  has been that the  
> > neighbour leased the land for
> > pasture a couple months  prior and has registered a land use caveat.
> > against the property until March 31/ 2015, with government of  
> > Manitoba.
> > The land use caveat is dated and registered before the mortgage is
> > registered.
> >
> > The neighbor  does not want to give up the land until then.
> >   But the mortgage company is pressuring the neighbor to buy the land
> > even at a discounted price. I told the neighbour not to negotiate with
> > the mortgage company and only stick to his lease agreement.    (At  
> > least
> >  to hold the mortgage company off as long as possible, to give me time
> > to deal with this matter.)
> >
> >  I remember from high school law that for
> > person's signature to be binding on a contract he has to be mentally
> > competent.  I also know that in order for a person to qualify for a
> > mortgage, he has to have good credit rating and be employed or have  
> > the
> > financial means to make payments and pay for the mortgage.
> 
> > From what I
> >  understand, these criteria are and can only be common sense and
> > therefore are or have to be common law, also.  My evaluation of the
> > situation is that the lender was opportunistic and saw that there was
> > sufficient collateral and they would be safe.  So they gave him the
> > $50,000.  I also suspect that the lender thought that the property  
> > could
> >  potentially be worth more.   To me, at least based on common sense  
> > and
> > common law,  this mortgage agreement is clearly fraudulent and  
> > therefore
> >  null and void and unenforceable.  It is an instrument of fraud.   No
> > honest person or principled person or no one in their right mind would
> > give Arnold  a loan.
> >
> > They might be safe with a $10 or $20 loan.
> > Giving Arnold a mortgage or loan with the farm as  collateral is not
> > unlike taking candy from a baby.   I need to and have to deal with  
> > this
> > matter only by letter.   I have to give them a good scare.
> >
> > I want to
> > tell the mortgage company that:  - they did not properly qualify  
> > Arnold
> > before giving him the loan, for the reasons I  specified.
> >
> > 1.  -  their
> > mortgage agreement with Arnold  is clearly opportunistic and therefore
> > unlawful and an instrument of fraud.
> >
> > 2. - to permanently cease and desist
> >  all foreclosure actions and leave Arnold and the property alone  
> > and not
> >  to come near him or the property for a 100 miles.
> >
> > 3.  - no honest or
> > principled person or lender would give Arnold a loan especially  
> > with the
> >  farm used as collateral.
> >
> > 4. I want to tell the mortgage company that
> > doing what they did to Arnold  is not unlike taking candy from a baby.
> >
> > 5. - they should be ashamed of themselves.   - if they want to help  
> > such a
> >  person in need that they should give him a donation of $50,000, and
> > give him guidance and therapy,  not a loan.   - their activities,
> > motives, and principles are clearly  fraudulent and I will send the
> > authorities after them and have them investigated.
> >
> > 6. -they are loan sharks and should all be
> >  put in jail.
> >
> > I want to know what are the legal criteria under common
> >  law,  to make a signature legally binding on a contract,  
> > expecially in a
> >  case like this?  And the criteria necessary to make such a situation
> > lawful?  And anything else I should know?   I want to know what you
> > think of this matter and what you would do if you  were in my (or our-
> > Arnold and I) shoes to have this matter handled and save Arnold and  
> > the
> > farm?
> >
> >  I forgot to mention that Arnold does work part time and seasonal,
> >  but  it can't be said that he has steady income. Right now he has a
> > summer job and is working for the Manitoba department of hwys  
> > operating
> > an asphalt packer.
> 
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