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1. Re: I have finished RI :))))))))))))))))))))))))))) :) (???? ?)
2. Re: Trom Digest, Vol 116, Issue 31 (Svoboda Vladimir)
3. Re: Trom Digest, Vol 116, Issue 31 (Paul Tipon)
4. Rub and Yawn auditing (Pete Mclaughlin)
5. Jonah and Max (Le?ncio Madruga)
6. Re: Trom Digest, Vol 116, Issue 26 ([email protected])
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Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 07:18:22 +0400
From: ???? ? <[email protected]>
To: Pete Mclaughlin <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: [TROM1] I have finished RI :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))
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Thank you :)
>>You have demonstrated that you can complete a difficult task no matter
how long it takes.
I just had no joice :)
>>I expect we will hear more level completions from you in the future.
I'll finish TROM or die like a man :D :D
Seriously, I like the result and it was worth spending time on this
exersice.
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Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 18:40:54 +0400
From: Svoboda Vladimir <[email protected]>
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Hi, All.
Here is a few words about 2 level, past persons.
Choice a past person. Hold this person in your mind. What color are his
eyes? Are his eyes blue, brown, grey, yellow... Blue? Can you find an blue
object in your room?
What color are his hair? Are his hair red, brown, black, blonde? Brown...
Find a brown object in PT... Is something similar?
What length is a body of this person?
What color is his skin? Is his skin red, pale, browned, pink?)))) Find a
similar color around.
Maybe does his bald head shine? What are shining in your room?
How did he dress? Was he dressed a white
shirt? Black trousers... Brown shoes...
Touch his body. Touch it mentally. What temperature is it? Do you remember
warm hands of your mother?
I knocked my forehead for a joke and knocked to a
door. Similar sound)))))
My school teacher spoke very loudly. That sound is different of noise in
my street. But
it is loud too.)))) He had got a black suit and dark glasses. I can find
similar objects in present time. Yes, these similarity are not similar
absolutely but a mad reactive mind or somebody in hard dissociation
differentiates very bad.
The body of the past person consists of MEST. Look around and you will
look at MEST. It is the key. MEST is around human bodies, the bodies are
MEST, the mind is MEST ( matter-energy-space-time) too.
What space was occupied his body (size)?
What is his weight? Have something
same weight around
you?
Blue or brown eyes are not blue cloth and not a
brown table. But blue color is blue. Black is black. Similar words are
kind of the links connect different objects as similar. A=A is a stupid
logic of the Reactive Mind of the human ape.
I suppose when we look at the past person then we run a subjective process
( recall ) and when we look for different and similar objects in present
time we do an objective process.
You will find your own body in present time to compare too. But I hope you
understand my example. Body ( past or present) is MEST and objects in your
room are MEST too. Reactive mind is M=M, E=E, S=S, T=T.
"Dog runs fast.
If he runs fast too,
Then he is a dog too. )))))))) because they have a similar quality". We
get a common class by a postulate and we get a wrong bond.
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Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 07:54:38 -0700
From: Paul Tipon <[email protected]>
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I GET IT. That's very good. Very good examples.
Paul
On Mar 11, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Svoboda Vladimir wrote:
>
> Hi, All.
> Here is a few words about 2 level, past persons.
> Choice a past person. Hold this person in your mind. What color are
> his eyes? Are his eyes blue, brown, grey, yellow... Blue? Can you
> find an blue object in your room? What color are his hair? Are his
> hair red, brown, black, blonde? Brown...
> Find a brown object in PT... Is something similar? What length is a
> body of this person? What color is his skin? Is his skin red, pale,
> browned, pink?)))) Find a similar color around. Maybe does his bald
> head shine? What are shining in your room? How did he dress? Was he
> dressed a white shirt? Black trousers... Brown shoes...
> Touch his body. Touch it mentally. What temperature is it? Do you
> remember warm hands of your mother? I knocked my forehead for a
> joke and knocked to a door. Similar sound)))))
> My school teacher spoke very loudly. That sound is different of
> noise in my street. But it is loud too.)))) He had got a black suit
> and dark glasses. I can find similar objects in present time. Yes,
> these similarity are not similar absolutely but a mad reactive mind
> or somebody in hard dissociation differentiates very bad.
> The body of the past person consists of MEST. Look around and you
> will look at MEST. It is the key. MEST is around human bodies, the
> bodies are MEST, the mind is MEST ( matter-energy-space-time) too.
> What space was occupied his body (size)? What is his weight? Have
> something
> same weight around you?
> Blue or brown eyes are not blue cloth and not a brown table. But
> blue color is blue. Black is black. Similar words are kind of the
> links connect different objects as similar. A=A is a stupid logic
> of the Reactive Mind of the human ape.
> I suppose when we look at the past person then we run a subjective
> process ( recall ) and when we look for different and similar
> objects in present time we do an objective process.
> You will find your own body in present time to compare too. But I
> hope you understand my example. Body ( past or present) is MEST and
> objects in your room are MEST too. Reactive mind is M=M, E=E, S=S,
> T=T.
> "Dog runs fast. If he runs fast too, then he is a dog too. ))))))))
> because they have a similar quality". We get a common class by a
> postulate and we get a wrong bond.
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Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 08:17:03 -0700
From: Pete Mclaughlin <[email protected]>
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Subject: [TROM1] Rub and Yawn auditing
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Here is an interesting website on a solo auditing technique. I tried this
on a meter and found that rubbing my feet on the carpet causes the tone arm
to rapidly drop around 2 divisions. From 5.2 to 3.2 in a few minutes.
http://rubandyawn.com
Keep on TROMing
Pete
Sent from my iPad
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 13:31:17 -0300
From: Le?ncio Madruga <[email protected]>
To: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]>
Subject: [TROM1] Jonah and Max
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I became a Advanced Transcendental Meditator several years ago, before
using TROM.
This advanced (TM-Sidhi) course was paid, and was sold promising a huge
betterment in meditation and an acquisition of superpowers like body flying
(the 'yogic fly', now on video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHwhGUo90jw
).
When we asked ours fellows (experienced meditators) about yogic fly, they
said "flying is not important, but just an evidence that you are a good
meditator".
All of us (basic TM meditators) thought "How can these people say this
about that wonderful ability ???".
Seeking for improvements I did attend the TM-Sidhis training.
In the course I did not fly (about 30% of my colleagues did not fly also).
After the course, a TM trainer from my city invited me to participate of
his TM class. Then, at the class, she asked me to explain the benefits of
the TM-Sidhis course to his students. I was stuck with my inability to fly
and could not explain the benefits I received from TM-Sidhis Course.
Again in my home, shamed, I decided to immerse in myself to identify any
improvement on my life, e began to write about. After two weeks I finally
had in my hands a 25 pages report! Then I decided to send that report to
all my TM-Sidhis course colleagues. Those were my benefits from TM-Sidhis
course (and I was not flying yet).
I received several responses, but the best one was: "Leoncio, you are
flying higher than us!". Only then I realised. Flying was not important as
were the other benefits.
And all those 25 pages included ONLY internal aspects of myself, and they
cannot be viewed externally by someone, except by me.
And those aspects were hidden to me: I had to put a huge effort (14 days)
to dig them all.
For example I could then stay focused in same idea for hours, without
distraction, effortlessly, in any environment. I also began to hear better
than other people with normal hearing.
So is TROM: Move planets out of his orbits is not important. The important
is the improvement of your ability in games playing.
Keep tromming
Leoncio
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Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 19:51:13 +0000
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HELLO JONAH!
sORY TO SAY BUT YOU HAVE TO DO IT! DO TROM TILL LEVEL V
IT CANT BE EXPRESSED IN COMUNICATION!
NO MIND IS NO MIND! NOTHINGNESS! No one whants this! So you must have
a game! No mind no significance! Mind significance!
All "ability" are doing or being or having so they are postulates! No
power, no ability, not know, no desire, and you achive to no mind and
find "your self"! "SO ALL IS JUST PERFECT"
DO YOU BELIVE? SO DO IT!DO TROM AND FIND FOR YOUR SELF!
LOVE!
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> 1. Trom not working for you? (Colleen K. Peltomaa)
> 2. Re: Cosmic History 14 (Paul Tipon)
> 3. More on Cosmic History 14 and "The Games Universe" (Paul Tipon)
> 4. Proof of Trom (Jonah Seymour)
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> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 21:25:01 -0400
> From: "Colleen K. Peltomaa" <[email protected]>
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> I found out recently that self-invalidation and beating myself up was
> eating into my ability to actually run a process -- because I did not
meet
> my self-expectations to do it yesterday.
>
> Tolle answered this nicely for me:
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdMEtpXoMkY
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> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 21:24:58 -0700
> From: Paul Tipon <[email protected]>
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> Hi All,
>
> Comments interspersed below.
>
> Paul
>
> On Mar 4, 2014, at 7:41 AM, Pete Mclaughlin wrote:
>> 14.The Games Universe
>>
>> To all intents and purposes, the whole big ruined mess left after
>> the fall of home universe is the games universe vastly expanded
>> with the residue of all of the prior creations. And with the game
>> twisted beyond belief by the introduction of the penalty universe
>> materials and agreements. This is what we referred to as the games
>> universe later on the track. It is the first of the big
>> compulsively agreed- upon universes where we were no longer in full
>> control of the creation of reality.
>>
> Every idea here is only true because one sees it as so. Again, the
> only factor that can have any sway over a God is that of the God
> himself. One can still have Home Universe if one desires. Obviously
> that is not the desire. Not the most importance.
>
> Being a Level 5, TROM completion, I now observe and participate as I
> choose. My game is to always have the flexibility to play a game or
> not play a game. I am currently practicing the ability, the free
> will to change my mind, to alter my importances, to play a game or
> not play a game. To influence or not influence. I typically choose
> on the side of influencing for the better but in doing so I realize
> that I cannot change other's importances, their minds. So, I don't
> take a loss but have compassion and love for those still trapped
> within the compulsiveness of their minds and who are unable to change
> beyond the rigors and control that their minds deal them.
>> In spite of all this, you were still a god; But a badly aberrated
>> one. You were still immune to force and knew it, but your mockups
>> could be hurt and you were now subject to counter-emotion to some
>> degree because you could really loose something. In the home
>> universe era, this wasn't true. You could always mock something up
>> again and your home universe knew no law but your own.
>>
> Loosing something, really loosing something is a state of mind, a
> viewpoint. Nothing more. Can't you have something else? A
> duplicate or a substitute just as good if not better. Couldn't you
> re-mock up the original or a better, in PT original? This all has to
> do with whether it's a Home Universe or a common, among others universe.
>> The body types, styles of mockups, etc. were quite varied in this
>> period. The penalty universes used 64 different body types of which
>> only one was truly human. Older styles such as people manifesting
>> as clouds or whatever were also in use. There was no pattern or
>> organization to the universe similar to the way our galaxy is
>> structured. It was just a hodge-podge of planets, flat-earths,
>> pictures hanging in the sky, or whatever and it all just sort of
>> drifted around. Individuals claimed areas and marked them off by
>> filling the areas with faint light of various colors so that space
>> itself appeared to be a sort of patchwork quilt. The old proponents
>> of the one dimensional creation system also often filled their
>> space with music of some sort or another. These were not sound
>> vibrations but simply a musical telepathic wave that permeated
>> their areas.
>>
> A few decades ago I realized there was a part of me that was a
> cloud. A cloud that only I could see and communicate with. I would
> consult it for answers and help. This would be much like one looking
> upwards and outwards while being in deep thought. It was part and
> parcel to deep thought.
>> The games leaned towards the intellectual side since we were not
>> yet very concerned with force and motion. These included things
>> that could be thought of as godlike equivalents of chess and cards
>> and various strategy games. They also included the old valence game
>> and various other games of one-upmanship where the opponents tried
>> to psych each other out in various ways. Elaborate mockups were
>> often built as prizes, or sometimes a period of service was
>> wagered. There is not as much motion as you might expect because
>> much of the motion was still non-linear (objects in motion might
>> jump the way a knight only touches certain squares in chess without
>> passing through the intermediate points).
>>
>> The Games Universe goes on for a very long time. Some characters
>> are so bad that you want them out of the game but you have no way
>> of doing this. Everyone thinks this but of course nobody agrees on
>> who should be thrown out.
>>
> Been there, done that and hit the same wall.
>> Finally a solution is proposed. A lower universe could be built and
>> the undesirables sentenced to it. But a mechanism was needed to fix
>> the convicts up so that they couldn't just pop back up and cause
>> more trouble.
>>
>> So the remnants of all of the penalty universes were strung
>> together. Remembering the hate and urge to destroy that occurred
>> during the fall of home universe, this is used at the end of each
>> positive goal to attach a negative goal to it. ie., the positive
>> (but degrading) penalty universe goals such as the goal to eat were
>> paired with their opposites such as the goal to starve. The
>> negative goal swings the victim around to the next positive goal
>> and makes him go round and round through these penalty goals. This
>> is called the treadmill. With the attachment of the negative goals
>> it became a self perpetuating cycle that is supposed to set the bad
>> guys up to do each other in forever. This is a very popular idea.
>> It is probably the first time after the collapse of home universe
>> that everybody agreed on something.
>>
> I suggest that if one is playing with positive goals and or negative
> goals that one is currently in this tread mill by one's own choice to
> work with good and/or bad goals with the end result of only having
> the one of the goals survive. The same as vanishing or eliminating a
> bad goal by putting a good goal in its place or vice versa of
> course. The same is true in playing with past incidents vs. current,
> present time incidents. It's all just a treadmill.
>
> One needs to rise above this game, transcend it and get into handling
> the cause, one's mind and its compulsions.
>> Needless to say, everyone builds this thing intending it for use on
>> the bad guys rather than themselves and of course everyone
>> eventually gets tossed in. The treadmill leads the person down into
>> what we came to call the Motion or Motions Universe.
>>
> Yes, one being on a treadmill leads one to believe that fixing the
> treadmill phenomena is the path out. It therefore leads one into
> being engrossed with the treadmill and its motion and looking for the
> answer, the way out through engaging deeper and deeper into the
> mechanics of the tread mill. Obviously this is not the way out.
> This is only a lower subset of the larger difficulty, the difficulty
> that is no longer being addressed.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>
> Keep on TROMmoing, Paul
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> I highly suggest and recommend that one proceeds with TROM to it's
> completion and achieves 'Freedom from Games'. Playing with
> postulates, past, present and future, playing with complimentary and
> non-complementary postulates is a means to just being better at
> playing a game. It does not achieve for one, 'Freedom from Games',
> the ability achieved from and upon completing Level 5 of TROM.
>
> Keep on TROMmoing, Paul
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 23:59:35 -0500
> From: Jonah Seymour <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [TROM1] Proof of Trom
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> Hello All,
>
> I'm curious as to whether anyone can attest to witnessing or allow me to
> witness proof of TROM's described abilities.
>
> Has anyone seen person know something there would be no "normal" means of
> knowing?
>
> Anyone want to demonstrate it to me? I can give you my address and you
> remote view what colour of shirt I'm wearing.
>
> I promise you won't turn into my trick monkey. Someone attesting to the
> workability of TROM once is all we need.
>
> Another question is why hasn't anyone/why aren't we demonstrating psionic
> abilities to promote TROM. I understand the mainstream media would act as
> if it doesn't exsist, but with social networking today, we could still
> reach alot of people with a quite tangible motivation to clear
themselves.
> It could be a catalyst for clearing the planet.
>
> I hope I don't sound like a skeptical Scrooge... The fact that TROM is
> claiming such spectacular benefits at no charge leads me to suspect that
it
> does in fact work. My personal experience with Ri and L2 is also a
> contribution.
>
> The datum that TROM is based on Boolean logic is also quite impressive...
> Could someone help me learn/direct me to a place where I can learn to
fully
> understand the logic and algebra behind Dennis's tech. And understand how
> he made each step and conclusion in the creation of TROM?
>
> I would be interested to hear from anyone who's completed level 4 and
> beyond. Slim, you've walked through walls, haven't you? :-) Alberto,
> Colleen suggested I run this query to you. :-)
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Jonah
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