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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Pete re: Have you run RI on the meter ? (Pete Mclaughlin)
2. Re: Pete re: Have you run RI on the meter ? (Paul Tipon)
3. Re: Pete re: Have you run RI on the meter ? (Pete Mclaughlin)
4. Pete re: High TA (Ralph Clouse)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 07:56:27 -0700
From: Pete Mclaughlin <[email protected]>
To: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [TROM1] Pete re: Have you run RI on the meter ?
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Hi Paul
Is the effect of a complete session of RI that the TA will be at
normal for the sex of the individual. That the person will be
exterior and ready to do the next session action?
Sincerely
Pete
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Hi Richard and All,
My answer comes from experience as a Class VI Auditor.
On Mar 16, 2014, at 10:50 AM, [email protected] wrote:
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My name is Richard and I have been doing Trom for quite a while.
In my experience starting off with RI's always creates a rising
tone arm up to the point of a blowdown. I've assumed the
starvation for mass has been satisfied at that point. But the tone
arm is frequently still out of range so I use a reach and withdraw
or various rubbing to handle the residual mass buildup. The end
result is always an F/N at around 2.6-3.0 tone arm. I always start
the chart with an in range TA.
Will someone explain to me why the rubbings of either the body or
objects so dramatically drops the tone arm?
First of all, high TA is an indication of no confront. This is an
indication of being interiorized. Things that can lead to
interiorization are overts , withholds. basically fear, anger, etc.
High TA is a physical phenomenon. In auditing, it is difficult to
audit over a high TA. The reason being that one has interiorized
and is not there, not in session with his body. So an auditor
giving a session has to get the PC reading on the meter or results
will be very hard to come by. The reason is that the PC is not
able to produce good meter readings because of the high TA.
High TA being a physical thing means that the PC's body is not
closely in tune with what the PC is doing and not only are reads
very hard to come by but in most cases cannot even be seen with a
meter. Because of this, not only are reads hard to come by if at
all but any kind of needle movement has to be suspect as if may or
may not be a reaction to the auditing question.
So what happens when the TA is brought down with rubbing, touching,
hand cream, etc. just brings the PC's body more in tune with the
consciousness, the soul, the spirit, the Thetan. Now if you are
using the meter to meter what the mind and the Thetan,
consciousness are doing, it can be seen on the needle movement.
I would say that somewhere between Levels 2, 3 and 4 of TROM, the
TA (chronic wise) should be in the 3.0 range for males and 2.0
range for females. Meaning that no particular actions are
necessary to bring the TA down for the PC has now eliminated those
reasons in the mind to back away and withhold.
Also bringing the TA down before doing RI or any TROM action is not
a necessity nor does it do any enhancing of TROM actions. It is
purely a physical body thing that is necessary for reliable
readings on a meter for an auditor to assess what the PC is doing
with the auditing question. TROM is not audited action.
Keep on TROMmoing, Paul
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 08:14:44 -0700
From: Paul Tipon <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: [TROM1] Pete re: Have you run RI on the meter ?
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Hi Pete,
Answer below.
Keep on TROMmoing, Paul
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Hi Paul
Is the effect of a complete session of RI that the TA will be at
normal for the sex of the individual. That the person will be
exterior and ready to do the next session action?
That is not a given. It is possible but not to be counted on. The
reason being that RI does not address the mind and it's compulsions
directly but it does free up one's free will which can be an over-
riding action to the mind but it does not directly handle a
compulsive action item of the mind. So a compulsive action of the
mind still has the opportunity to come into play in the future under
the right conditions. Ri can be a remedy to a recurring compulsion
but it will not undo that compulsion permanently.
Yes, RI can be a changer but is not a permanent fix. The permanent
fix is Levels 2, 3 and 4.
Sincerely
Pete
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On Mar 16, 2014, at 8:11 PM, Paul Tipon <[email protected]>
wrote:
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Hi Richard and All,
My answer comes from experience as a Class VI Auditor.
On Mar 16, 2014, at 10:50 AM, [email protected] wrote:
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************
My name is Richard and I have been doing Trom for quite a while.
In my experience starting off with RI's always creates a rising
tone arm up to the point of a blowdown. I've assumed the
starvation for mass has been satisfied at that point. But the
tone arm is frequently still out of range so I use a reach and
withdraw or various rubbing to handle the residual mass buildup.
The end result is always an F/N at around 2.6-3.0 tone arm. I
always start the chart with an in range TA.
Will someone explain to me why the rubbings of either the body or
objects so dramatically drops the tone arm?
First of all, high TA is an indication of no confront. This is an
indication of being interiorized. Things that can lead to
interiorization are overts , withholds. basically fear, anger,
etc. High TA is a physical phenomenon. In auditing, it is
difficult to audit over a high TA. The reason being that one has
interiorized and is not there, not in session with his body. So
an auditor giving a session has to get the PC reading on the meter
or results will be very hard to come by. The reason is that the
PC is not able to produce good meter readings because of the high TA.
High TA being a physical thing means that the PC's body is not
closely in tune with what the PC is doing and not only are reads
very hard to come by but in most cases cannot even be seen with a
meter. Because of this, not only are reads hard to come by if at
all but any kind of needle movement has to be suspect as if may or
may not be a reaction to the auditing question.
So what happens when the TA is brought down with rubbing,
touching, hand cream, etc. just brings the PC's body more in tune
with the consciousness, the soul, the spirit, the Thetan. Now if
you are using the meter to meter what the mind and the Thetan,
consciousness are doing, it can be seen on the needle movement.
I would say that somewhere between Levels 2, 3 and 4 of TROM, the
TA (chronic wise) should be in the 3.0 range for males and 2.0
range for females. Meaning that no particular actions are
necessary to bring the TA down for the PC has now eliminated those
reasons in the mind to back away and withhold.
Also bringing the TA down before doing RI or any TROM action is
not a necessity nor does it do any enhancing of TROM actions. It
is purely a physical body thing that is necessary for reliable
readings on a meter for an auditor to assess what the PC is doing
with the auditing question. TROM is not audited action.
Keep on TROMmoing, Paul
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 11:53:05 -0700
From: Pete Mclaughlin <[email protected]>
To: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [TROM1] Pete re: Have you run RI on the meter ?
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Hi Paul
What I am trying to determine is in a single auditing session should
I expect that RI when run to no more change will end in a normal TA
and FN?
If this is correct then in my solo session I should run RI to TA 3.0
and FN before starting the level I am working on.
In the little Scientology auditing I did the practice was to run
rudes to FN followed by the next action ordered by the C/S.
Since Dennis says that if the PC has a meter he can run level 2 and
3 on the meter and abide by what it shows it would be good to put up
some information on the list showing what a meter will indicate as
RI and Timebreak are done in session.
Sincerely
Pete
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Hi Pete,
Answer below.
Keep on TROMmoing, Paul
On Mar 17, 2014, at 7:56 AM, Pete Mclaughlin wrote:
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Hi Paul
Is the effect of a complete session of RI that the TA will be at
normal for the sex of the individual. That the person will be
exterior and ready to do the next session action?
That is not a given. It is possible but not to be counted on. The
reason being that RI does not address the mind and it's compulsions
directly but it does free up one's free will which can be an
over-riding action to the mind but it does not directly handle a
compulsive action item of the mind. So a compulsive action of the
mind still has the opportunity to come into play in the future
under the right conditions. Ri can be a remedy to a recurring
compulsion but it will not undo that compulsion permanently.
Yes, RI can be a changer but is not a permanent fix. The permanent
fix is Levels 2, 3 and 4.
Sincerely
Pete
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 16, 2014, at 8:11 PM, Paul Tipon <[email protected]> wrote:
*************
The following message is relayed to you by [email protected]
************
Hi Richard and All,
My answer comes from experience as a Class VI Auditor.
On Mar 16, 2014, at 10:50 AM, [email protected] wrote:
*************
The following message is relayed to you by [email protected]
************
My name is Richard and I have been doing Trom for quite a while.
In my experience starting off with RI's always creates a rising
tone arm up to the point of a blowdown. I've assumed the
starvation for mass has been satisfied at that point. But the
tone arm is frequently still out of range so I use a reach and
withdraw or various rubbing to handle the residual mass buildup.
The end result is always an F/N at around 2.6-3.0 tone arm. I
always start the chart with an in range TA.
Will someone explain to me why the rubbings of either the body
or objects so dramatically drops the tone arm?
First of all, high TA is an indication of no confront. This is
an indication of being interiorized. Things that can lead to
interiorization are overts , withholds. basically fear, anger,
etc. High TA is a physical phenomenon. In auditing, it is
difficult to audit over a high TA. The reason being that one has
interiorized and is not there, not in session with his body. So
an auditor giving a session has to get the PC reading on the
meter or results will be very hard to come by. The reason is
that the PC is not able to produce good meter readings because of
the high TA.
High TA being a physical thing means that the PC's body is not
closely in tune with what the PC is doing and not only are reads
very hard to come by but in most cases cannot even be seen with a
meter. Because of this, not only are reads hard to come by if at
all but any kind of needle movement has to be suspect as if may
or may not be a reaction to the auditing question.
So what happens when the TA is brought down with rubbing,
touching, hand cream, etc. just brings the PC's body more in tune
with the consciousness, the soul, the spirit, the Thetan. Now if
you are using the meter to meter what the mind and the Thetan,
consciousness are doing, it can be seen on the needle movement.
I would say that somewhere between Levels 2, 3 and 4 of TROM, the
TA (chronic wise) should be in the 3.0 range for males and 2.0
range for females. Meaning that no particular actions are
necessary to bring the TA down for the PC has now eliminated
those reasons in the mind to back away and withhold.
Also bringing the TA down before doing RI or any TROM action is
not a necessity nor does it do any enhancing of TROM actions. It
is purely a physical body thing that is necessary for reliable
readings on a meter for an auditor to assess what the PC is doing
with the auditing question. TROM is not audited action.
Keep on TROMmoing, Paul
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 14:16:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ralph Clouse <[email protected]>
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Subject: [TROM1] Pete re: High TA
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Hi Pete
If your TA is High on a regular basis, RI may not bring it into a
normal range. There are case-mind phenomena which can cause a High
TA. Basicaly as the mind is surounding your body space to a greater
or lesser degree of distance, when an unconfronted bit of mind is
keyed in = a scene, as the mind is electrical in nature, it
interfers with the body electrics like an added resistance in the
body circuit.
High TA = High resistance, over the bodies own normal resistance.
Various reasons cause scenes to come close to your body and raise
it's resistance.
In Scientology, a well known reason is going out of body and then
coming back in. This can re-stimulate a time of being forced in or
out of a body, like being killed = out of body, or being
trapped-forced into a body, this can apply on many or all dynamics
also. Scientology has speacialized auditing for this type of
situation.
Also Overts and Withholds can cause this among many other possibilities.
I understand your concern. If your TA is high, you won't get usable
reads on your meter for use in TROM. It won't stop RI from working,
or your doing of TROM, but it can make it more of an effort to do
them. The High TA should be handled, but it will not stop you. If
you found the item = scene or scenes it would resolve.
Keep on TROMing
Ralph?
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