************* The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] ************ Hi Alberto Thats just the point. I did not know if I was doing RI correctly and the meter shows that my TA was going up and staying high.
Something was wrong. Now I can experiment with the other commands for RI and have found that when I do objective RI my TA falls to close to the 3.0 level in a minute or so. The meter is helping me. I have an Ability meter 3A which automatically adjusts the tone arm when it goes off scale so I don't have to pay any attention to the meter while responding to the auditing command. Sincerely Pete Sent from my iPad > On Mar 18, 2014, at 12:38 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > Plese put out the Meter in garbage is a big destraction....The being knows > better! > > ARC U > > A Santos! > > > Quoting [email protected]: > >> Send Trom mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Trom digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Pete re: Have you run RI on the meter ? (Pete Mclaughlin) >> 2. Re: Pete re: Have you run RI on the meter ? (Paul Tipon) >> 3. Re: Pete re: Have you run RI on the meter ? (Pete Mclaughlin) >> 4. Pete re: High TA (Ralph Clouse) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 07:56:27 -0700 >> From: Pete Mclaughlin <[email protected]> >> To: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Pete re: Have you run RI on the meter ? >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Hi Paul >> >> Is the effect of a complete session of RI that the TA will be at normal for >> the sex of the individual. That the person will be exterior and ready to do >> the next session action? >> >> Sincerely >> Pete >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Mar 16, 2014, at 8:11 PM, Paul Tipon <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> ************* >>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>> ************ >>> Hi Richard and All, >>> >>> My answer comes from experience as a Class VI Auditor. >>> >>>> On Mar 16, 2014, at 10:50 AM, [email protected] wrote: >>>> >>>> ************* >>>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>>> ************ >>>> My name is Richard and I have been doing Trom for quite a while. In my >>>> experience starting off with RI's always creates a rising tone arm up to >>>> the point of a blowdown. I've assumed the starvation for mass has been >>>> satisfied at that point. But the tone arm is frequently still out of range >>>> so I use a reach and withdraw or various rubbing to handle the residual >>>> mass buildup. The end result is always an F/N at around 2.6-3.0 tone arm. >>>> I always start the chart with an in range TA. >>> >>>> Will someone explain to me why the rubbings of either the body or objects >>>> so dramatically drops the tone arm? >>> First of all, high TA is an indication of no confront. This is an >>> indication of being interiorized. Things that can lead to interiorization >>> are overts , withholds. basically fear, anger, etc. High TA is a physical >>> phenomenon. In auditing, it is difficult to audit over a high TA. The >>> reason being that one has interiorized and is not there, not in session >>> with his body. So an auditor giving a session has to get the PC reading on >>> the meter or results will be very hard to come by. The reason is that the >>> PC is not able to produce good meter readings because of the high TA. >>> >>> High TA being a physical thing means that the PC's body is not closely in >>> tune with what the PC is doing and not only are reads very hard to come by >>> but in most cases cannot even be seen with a meter. Because of this, not >>> only are reads hard to come by if at all but any kind of needle movement >>> has to be suspect as if may or may not be a reaction to the auditing >>> question. >>> >>> So what happens when the TA is brought down with rubbing, touching, hand >>> cream, etc. just brings the PC's body more in tune with the consciousness, >>> the soul, the spirit, the Thetan. Now if you are using the meter to meter >>> what the mind and the Thetan, consciousness are doing, it can be seen on >>> the needle movement. >>> >>> I would say that somewhere between Levels 2, 3 and 4 of TROM, the TA >>> (chronic wise) should be in the 3.0 range for males and 2.0 range for >>> females. Meaning that no particular actions are necessary to bring the TA >>> down for the PC has now eliminated those reasons in the mind to back away >>> and withhold. >>> >>> Also bringing the TA down before doing RI or any TROM action is not a >>> necessity nor does it do any enhancing of TROM actions. It is purely a >>> physical body thing that is necessary for reliable readings on a meter for >>> an auditor to assess what the PC is doing with the auditing question. TROM >>> is not audited action. >>> >>> Keep on TROMmoing, Paul >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Trom mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 08:14:44 -0700 >> From: Paul Tipon <[email protected]> >> To: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Pete re: Have you run RI on the meter ? >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed >> >> Hi Pete, >> >> Answer below. >> >> Keep on TROMmoing, Paul >> >>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 7:56 AM, Pete Mclaughlin wrote: >>> >>> ************* >>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>> ************ >>> Hi Paul >>> >>> Is the effect of a complete session of RI that the TA will be at >>> normal for the sex of the individual. That the person will be >>> exterior and ready to do the next session action? >> >> That is not a given. It is possible but not to be counted on. The >> reason being that RI does not address the mind and it's compulsions >> directly but it does free up one's free will which can be an over- >> riding action to the mind but it does not directly handle a >> compulsive action item of the mind. So a compulsive action of the >> mind still has the opportunity to come into play in the future under >> the right conditions. Ri can be a remedy to a recurring compulsion >> but it will not undo that compulsion permanently. >> >> Yes, RI can be a changer but is not a permanent fix. The permanent >> fix is Levels 2, 3 and 4. >>> >>> Sincerely >>> Pete >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Mar 16, 2014, at 8:11 PM, Paul Tipon <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> ************* >>>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>>> ************ >>>> Hi Richard and All, >>>> >>>> My answer comes from experience as a Class VI Auditor. >>>> >>>>> On Mar 16, 2014, at 10:50 AM, [email protected] wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ************* >>>>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>>>> ************ >>>>> My name is Richard and I have been doing Trom for quite a while. >>>>> In my experience starting off with RI's always creates a rising >>>>> tone arm up to the point of a blowdown. I've assumed the >>>>> starvation for mass has been satisfied at that point. But the >>>>> tone arm is frequently still out of range so I use a reach and >>>>> withdraw or various rubbing to handle the residual mass buildup. >>>>> The end result is always an F/N at around 2.6-3.0 tone arm. I >>>>> always start the chart with an in range TA. >>>> >>>>> Will someone explain to me why the rubbings of either the body or >>>>> objects so dramatically drops the tone arm? >>>> First of all, high TA is an indication of no confront. This is an >>>> indication of being interiorized. Things that can lead to >>>> interiorization are overts , withholds. basically fear, anger, >>>> etc. High TA is a physical phenomenon. In auditing, it is >>>> difficult to audit over a high TA. The reason being that one has >>>> interiorized and is not there, not in session with his body. So >>>> an auditor giving a session has to get the PC reading on the meter >>>> or results will be very hard to come by. The reason is that the >>>> PC is not able to produce good meter readings because of the high TA. >>>> >>>> High TA being a physical thing means that the PC's body is not >>>> closely in tune with what the PC is doing and not only are reads >>>> very hard to come by but in most cases cannot even be seen with a >>>> meter. Because of this, not only are reads hard to come by if at >>>> all but any kind of needle movement has to be suspect as if may or >>>> may not be a reaction to the auditing question. >>>> >>>> So what happens when the TA is brought down with rubbing, >>>> touching, hand cream, etc. just brings the PC's body more in tune >>>> with the consciousness, the soul, the spirit, the Thetan. Now if >>>> you are using the meter to meter what the mind and the Thetan, >>>> consciousness are doing, it can be seen on the needle movement. >>>> >>>> I would say that somewhere between Levels 2, 3 and 4 of TROM, the >>>> TA (chronic wise) should be in the 3.0 range for males and 2.0 >>>> range for females. Meaning that no particular actions are >>>> necessary to bring the TA down for the PC has now eliminated those >>>> reasons in the mind to back away and withhold. >>>> >>>> Also bringing the TA down before doing RI or any TROM action is >>>> not a necessity nor does it do any enhancing of TROM actions. It >>>> is purely a physical body thing that is necessary for reliable >>>> readings on a meter for an auditor to assess what the PC is doing >>>> with the auditing question. TROM is not audited action. >>>> >>>> Keep on TROMmoing, Paul >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Trom mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Trom mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 11:53:05 -0700 >> From: Pete Mclaughlin <[email protected]> >> To: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Pete re: Have you run RI on the meter ? >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Hi Paul >> >> What I am trying to determine is in a single auditing session should I >> expect that RI when run to no more change will end in a normal TA and FN? >> >> If this is correct then in my solo session I should run RI to TA 3.0 and FN >> before starting the level I am working on. >> >> In the little Scientology auditing I did the practice was to run rudes to FN >> followed by the next action ordered by the C/S. >> >> Since Dennis says that if the PC has a meter he can run level 2 and 3 on the >> meter and abide by what it shows it would be good to put up some information >> on the list showing what a meter will indicate as RI and Timebreak are done >> in session. >> >> Sincerely >> Pete >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:14 AM, Paul Tipon <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> ************* >>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>> ************ >>> Hi Pete, >>> >>> Answer below. >>> >>> Keep on TROMmoing, Paul >>> >>>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 7:56 AM, Pete Mclaughlin wrote: >>>> >>>> ************* >>>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>>> ************ >>>> Hi Paul >>>> >>>> Is the effect of a complete session of RI that the TA will be at normal >>>> for the sex of the individual. That the person will be exterior and ready >>>> to do the next session action? >>> >>> That is not a given. It is possible but not to be counted on. The reason >>> being that RI does not address the mind and it's compulsions directly but >>> it does free up one's free will which can be an over-riding action to the >>> mind but it does not directly handle a compulsive action item of the mind. >>> So a compulsive action of the mind still has the opportunity to come into >>> play in the future under the right conditions. Ri can be a remedy to a >>> recurring compulsion but it will not undo that compulsion permanently. >>> >>> Yes, RI can be a changer but is not a permanent fix. The permanent fix is >>> Levels 2, 3 and 4. >>>> >>>> Sincerely >>>> Pete >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>> On Mar 16, 2014, at 8:11 PM, Paul Tipon <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ************* >>>>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>>>> ************ >>>>> Hi Richard and All, >>>>> >>>>> My answer comes from experience as a Class VI Auditor. >>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 16, 2014, at 10:50 AM, [email protected] wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ************* >>>>>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>>>>> ************ >>>>>> My name is Richard and I have been doing Trom for quite a while. In my >>>>>> experience starting off with RI's always creates a rising tone arm up to >>>>>> the point of a blowdown. I've assumed the starvation for mass has been >>>>>> satisfied at that point. But the tone arm is frequently still out of >>>>>> range so I use a reach and withdraw or various rubbing to handle the >>>>>> residual mass buildup. The end result is always an F/N at around 2.6-3.0 >>>>>> tone arm. I always start the chart with an in range TA. >>>>> >>>>>> Will someone explain to me why the rubbings of either the body or >>>>>> objects so dramatically drops the tone arm? >>>>> First of all, high TA is an indication of no confront. This is an >>>>> indication of being interiorized. Things that can lead to >>>>> interiorization are overts , withholds. basically fear, anger, etc. High >>>>> TA is a physical phenomenon. In auditing, it is difficult to audit over >>>>> a high TA. The reason being that one has interiorized and is not there, >>>>> not in session with his body. So an auditor giving a session has to get >>>>> the PC reading on the meter or results will be very hard to come by. The >>>>> reason is that the PC is not able to produce good meter readings because >>>>> of the high TA. >>>>> >>>>> High TA being a physical thing means that the PC's body is not closely in >>>>> tune with what the PC is doing and not only are reads very hard to come >>>>> by but in most cases cannot even be seen with a meter. Because of this, >>>>> not only are reads hard to come by if at all but any kind of needle >>>>> movement has to be suspect as if may or may not be a reaction to the >>>>> auditing question. >>>>> >>>>> So what happens when the TA is brought down with rubbing, touching, hand >>>>> cream, etc. just brings the PC's body more in tune with the >>>>> consciousness, the soul, the spirit, the Thetan. Now if you are using >>>>> the meter to meter what the mind and the Thetan, consciousness are doing, >>>>> it can be seen on the needle movement. >>>>> >>>>> I would say that somewhere between Levels 2, 3 and 4 of TROM, the TA >>>>> (chronic wise) should be in the 3.0 range for males and 2.0 range for >>>>> females. Meaning that no particular actions are necessary to bring the >>>>> TA down for the PC has now eliminated those reasons in the mind to back >>>>> away and withhold. >>>>> >>>>> Also bringing the TA down before doing RI or any TROM action is not a >>>>> necessity nor does it do any enhancing of TROM actions. It is purely a >>>>> physical body thing that is necessary for reliable readings on a meter >>>>> for an auditor to assess what the PC is doing with the auditing question. >>>>> TROM is not audited action. >>>>> >>>>> Keep on TROMmoing, Paul >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Trom mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Trom mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Trom mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 14:16:52 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Ralph Clouse <[email protected]> >> To: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]> >> Subject: [TROM1] Pete re: High TA >> Message-ID: >> <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hi Pete >> >> If your TA is High on a regular basis, RI may not bring it into a normal >> range. There are case-mind phenomena which can cause a High TA. Basicaly as >> the mind is surounding your body space to a greater or lesser degree of >> distance, when an unconfronted bit of mind is keyed in = a scene, as the >> mind is electrical in nature, it interfers with the body electrics like an >> added resistance in the body circuit. >> >> High TA = High resistance, over the bodies own normal resistance. Various >> reasons cause scenes to come close to your body and raise it's resistance. >> >> In Scientology, a well known reason is going out of body and then coming >> back in. This can re-stimulate a time of being forced in or out of a body, >> like being killed = out of body, or being trapped-forced into a body, this >> can apply on many or all dynamics also. Scientology has speacialized >> auditing for this type of situation. >> >> Also Overts and Withholds can cause this among many other possibilities. >> >> I understand your concern. If your TA is high, you won't get usable reads on >> your meter for use in TROM. It won't stop RI from working, or your doing of >> TROM, but it can make it more of an effort to do them. The High TA should be >> handled, but it will not stop you. If you found the item = scene or scenes >> it would resolve. >> >> Keep on TROMing >> >> Ralph? >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20140317/6cb48a90/attachment.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> >> >> End of Trom Digest, Vol 116, Issue 46 >> ************************************* > > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
