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From: Ant Phillips <[email protected]>
Subject:
Replay B8
Date:
Sat,
14 Feb 1998 07:04:44 +0100
From:
Antony Phillips <[email protected]>
Organization:
International Viewpoints
To:
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From : Joachim H. Steingrubner, PhD
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05:35
To :
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Tue 28 Mar 95
06:39
Subj : Galaxy annotation: TROM: The Resolution of Mind by Dennis
Stephens
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From: [email protected] (Joachim H. Steingrubner, PhD)
Subject: Galaxy annotation: TROM: The Resolution of Mind by Dennis
Stephens
>Date: Mon, 27 Mar 95 11:40:36 CST
>From: [email protected] (Linda Clarke)
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Galaxy annotation: TROM: The Resolution of Mind by Dennis
Stephens
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>Your annotation has been added to the Galaxy in area
>
/galaxy/Business-and-Commerce/Consumer-Products-and-Services/Books-and-Magaz
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>It should appear in Galaxy next week. Let me know if
>you think something's not right.
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>Thanks for contributing!
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>Linda Clarke, [email protected],
http://galaxy.einet.net/EINet/staff.html
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From : Andreas
Mittermayr
2:236/174.10 Wed 29 Mar 95
14:39
To :
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Wed 29 Mar 95
22:00
Subj : Re: RI
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Apparently-to: [email protected]
From: Andreas Mittermayr <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: RI
in reply to Flemmings mail:
>I would like some input on what people actually do as RI on TROM, and
how.
>
>I have my own ideas, but it seems to me that there is a lot of
variance in
>what people do, as the materials are rather vague and ambigious on
that.
I usually follow the RI-commands by creating scenes I whish to happen in
the
future. For example, when having an examination I imagine the
examiner
congratulating me for passing the examination with a very good note.
That
is something like "positive suggestion", but more powerful,
because after
timebreaking a significant object/person/scene there is now place for
this
suggestion or a new importance.
And one question:
I would like to know what the second RI-command
"Have someone else create something."
causes. Why must I use it ? Why isn't it enough to follow only the
first
command "create somethin" ?
Greetings
Andreas!
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From : Homer Wilson
Smith
2:236/174.10 Wed 29 Mar 95
06:36
To : Andreas Mittermayr
<[email protected]> Wed 29 Mar 95
22:00
Subj : Re: RI
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Apparently-to: [email protected]
From: Homer Wilson Smith <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: RI
>
> I would like to know what the second RI-command
> "Have someone else create something."
> causes. Why must I use it ? Why isn't it enough to follow only the
first
> command "create somethin" ?
Part of creating something *IS* creating others creating
something.
Homer
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From : Tron
Enger
236/174.10 Thu 30 Mar 95
18:21
To : Flemming Funch
<[email protected]>
Thu 30 Mar 95
20:09
Subj : Re: RI
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Apparently-to: [email protected]
From: [email protected] (Tron Enger)
Subject: Re: RI
I usually do it like this:
Create something important.
Have someone else create something important.
I usually create an idea or postulate, look at it and accept it.
Then create someone else and his idea or postulate. Look at and accept
it.
The most _important_ :-) for me is to:
1. create something
2. accept that creation, whether it's mine or somebody elses
3. confront the fact that the postulate is mine or somebody elses,
and
differentiate both in terms of ownership and importance.
This process works extremely well on me.
Tron
At 14:31 26.03.95 -0800, Flemming Funch wrote:
>I would like some input on what people actually do as RI on TROM, and
how.
>
>I have my own ideas, but it seems to me that there is a lot of
variance in
>what people do, as the materials are rather vague and ambigious on
that.
>
>- Flemming
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From :
[email protected]
236/174.10 Wed 29 Mar 95
13:50
To :
[email protected]
Thu 30 Mar 95
06:39
Subj : Re: RI
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Apparently-to: [email protected]
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: RI
In reply to message <Pine.SUN.3.91.950329103613.28510F-100000@math>
:
Well, I was having a really bad
persistent PT problem the other
day that had really gotten out of hand. I was real upset so I decided
to
go take a walk in the woods, and I thought well, I really feel like
I
have a havingness problem so why don't I do some RI. I tried to create
some
things but I was too agitated for that to work, so I grabbed onto a
granite bridge and just meditated on how solid it was, and I could
just
feel all of these statements coming into my mind
I am solid
I am important
I can create importances
I don't need external importances
in between these bursts I'd start to think about my problem and I
would
feel bad and I would go back to thinking about the solidity of the
granite.
Then I'd get a bunch of thoughts about the granite and the RI,
these kept welling up and the granite just felt so smooth. cool,
solid,
almost sensously. After a while I felt quite a bit better so I tried
some
creative RI and nothing really happened. So then I thought, now that
I
have done some RI, why don't I timebreak the incident that I'm upset
about,
so I did that, felt a very weak sense of resolution, then I tried to
break
some related incidents, and really quickly I felt that I just
couldn't
find any more incidents. So I figured I would do some creative RI to
finish off. So I tried doing that, and I got frustrated with it
really
quickly. I thought, gee, I guess the frustration is a change so that
I
should keep doing this until there is no more change. Well, the
frustration
got worse and worse and I felt really awful that I was sitting here
running
RI to no effect while I should be back at the office. Then it occurred to
me
that I didn't think that creating importances, being able to assign
importances was very important and I felt really good, visual field
brightened, all that stuff -- I ran a little more and no changes so
I
went back to the office.
Well, after I got there I quickly got overwhelmed by this PT
problem and actually broke down and cried a few times. I talked to
my
office mates about it and tried to grade papers but I was too agitated
to
do it so I went home and listened to music and cried for maybe another
two
hours. Then I went to bed, tossed and turned for quite a while and
had
what seemed to be one solid hour of sleep with bad dreams and got
up.
Well, I might as well tell you what the problem actually is.
Ever
since I've come to Cornell I have been very afraid to talk to professors
who
I am interested in working with. Now, from my communications with my
committee and with other students, other professors I got the idea
that
getting into a research group was a matter of
1) make a formal commitment to a group and get funding
2) then talk about physics
In fact, I pretty much felt that I wasn't allowed to talk
about
physics, that I couldn't talk about physics to a professor until I had
the
money situation squared away. So all of my conversations with
professors
were about money and none of them were about physics. Now none of
them
would tell me that they were not going to take me, but they would
either
tell me that they don't know about their funding situation or that
they
don't know much about me; I would get one or another kind of maybe,
with
an additional professor who just plain lied about what formal procedure
I
am supposed to go through.
Well so I have put off talking to professors until the deadline
to
get a summer research project starts creeping up and I am just getting
all
of this maybe and all I want is some certainty that I indeed can
stop
thinking about money and start thinking about physics. Some certainty
that
I can eat this summer, cause I do think that I need to eat in order
to
do physics. So finally one professor actually confronted me with the
fact
that I was talking about money all the time and not talking about
physics,
and I think he was really doing me a favor but this really put me into
a
spin because I was in this situation where I feel so much pressure to
get
funded that it's just impossible for me to read some papers and come
back
and be enthusiastic just to get a ~chance~ at the ~possibility~ of
being
able to do a research project. So that's when I was just too agitated
to
work and decided to go for a walk.
Well, although I felt very good while timebreaking and at the
tail end of doing RI, doing the TROM didn't seem to help my
emotional
state at all afterwards. I had a lot of cognitions about decisions
that
I had made that had shaped this situation, but since I didn't have
any
idea how to unmake those decisions today it was even more painful to
see
this because now I know that I can't entirely blame the problem on
somebody else. I certainly can charge the people around me in being
complicit, in enabling my behavior, but I can't say that they
generated
it.
In fact afterwards I started getting very bizzare ideas on how
to
deal with the situation. Such as, feeling that they had taken my
"life"
away by making it impossible for me to do physics it would be OK for
me
to go get a gun and do the same to one of them. This idea had gotten
pretty
solid for me, but now that Pataki in NY likes the death penalty (I
figured
that I could do theoretical physics in jail more easily than I could
in
a university) this didn't seem like a good idea.
So the next morning I actually did begin talking to people in
my
department and I did articulate my concern and my need to resolve
this
situation somehow to a professor on my committee, so I hope that I
can
take some steps to get through this communication barrier.
Now I don't really know where my using TROM before and during
this
whole situation has affected me. TROM certainly did not make me feel
better after I had finished doing it, but TROM doesn't seem to be
about
feeling good. It may have helped me actually recognize some of my
responsibility in creating this situation, recognize that I really did
bring
in some awful postulates, but right now I don't see any real answer as
to
undoing the effects that those postulates have had on the people
around
me and on my situation. In fact, I've seen how those postulates have
shaped
the situation around me in such a way to confirm them -- maybe I could
free
~myself~ from them but I don't see how to eliminate the effect that
they've had on my situation, and how to keep them from diffusing back
into
me from my situation.
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