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1. Re: Reading DIANETICS Again - (Re: TROM Digest, Vol 143,
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Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 08:59:41 -0400
From: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: [TROM1] Reading DIANETICS Again - (Re: TROM Digest, Vol
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I have also read Dianetics 55 recently.
I have read all the scn books, and have read many more than twice.
But there is so much knowledge in them, that most people could read them
a
dozen times and still not understand everything, and still got more out
of
it by reading it again.
At the same time, not everything Hubbard wrote is correct.
The nature of such subjects is that it takes a lot of time and effort and
mental processing of data to be able to clearly see right through the
subject.
A lot of re-evaluating has to be done.
Thinking men have been thinking about the problems of the mind and how to
resolve them since the dawn of consciousness.
And Hubbard said that his work is based on 50,000 yrs of thinking men.
Hubbard did phenomenal work and made more advancements in this field than
anyone else, so far.
It is impossible to do all in one life time.
My point is that it will take more lifetimes of thinking men to perfect
it
This excerpt that you post Robin,is good but I can see some shortcomings
in
it.
One thing I have realized that a new being comes with certain native
traits.
It has native intelligence: The ability to evaluate data and solve
problems for the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics..
It is good.
It knows the difference between right and wrong.
It is curious.
It is ambitious.
It has a very strong affinity for love and emotional nourishment.
It is part of a dual "being". Male-female.
An individual is not complete unless it has a relationship with the
opposite sex.
It is aware of it's spirituality.
These traits and abilities are either enhanced or aberrated by parents or
guardians and other adults in it's environment.
Maybe more often aberrated than enhanced.
In the following quote, the first thing I would go further on is what I
inserted and underlined.
If I had time, I would rewrite most of it to go deeper with some
expansion
and get more accurate.
Because it contains some inaccuracies and ambiguities and
incompleteness.
The communication formula was derived from an observation of
and working with life. It could be derived only because one had entirely
abandoned the idea that energy could tell anyone anything. Life is not
energy. Energy is the by-product of Life.
[Where else have we heard that? I give a hint: Substitute Life with
Games and Energy with Mass. - Robin]
Your recluse is one who has become so thoroughly convinced that
there are no obtainable answers from anyone that he does no longer
believe that Life *(sanity and understanding)* itself exists. He is the
only living thing alive, in his
opinion. Why? Because he is the only thing which communicates. I dare
say every recluse, every ?only one,? every obsessively or compulsively
communicating individual has so thoroughly associated with ?life units?
which were so dead that it became ?very plain? that no one else was
alive *(sane)* . The attitude of a child towards the adult contains the
opinion that
adults have very little Life* (sanity)* in them. A child, with his
enthusiasms, is in
his family everywhere surrounded by communication blocks
(*surrounded by insanity, and ignorance and stupidity)* of greater
or lesser magnitude. His questions do not get answers. (he gets punished
and abused) The
communications which are addressed to him are not posed in a way
which can be duplicated
* (the communications are insane and computations are wrong, the child
instinctively knows that, that is why he rebels). *
*(A child will never do anything bad, or have a bad attitude, or throw a
tantrum if the parent did not do something wrong to the child first. The
child is rebelling, because the parent violated his knowingness or innate
better judgement. *
*There is no such thing as a bad child, there are only bad parents. All
of
our basic core problems are caused by failed parenting.*
In other words, the adult does not make
himself duplicatable. Freud and his confreres were entirely in error in
believing that the child is totally self-centered. It is not the child
who
is
totally self-centered. He believes that he is in communication with the
total world. Investigation of children demonstrates that they are very
heavy on the First, Second, Third and Fourth Dynamics. The child is so
convinced of his ability to communicate that he will touch a hot stove.
Life has no terrors for him. He has not yet learned by experience that
he cannot communicate. It?s the adult who is drawn back into the ?only
one? and one believes that the inspiration of this continuous belief on
the part of a psychologist and psychoanalyst that the child is entirely
self-centered and living in his own world must be the expression of an
opinion held by the psychoanalyst and psychologist out of his own
bank. As one grows one goes less and less into communication with
the environment until he is at last entirely out of it. Only he is out
of it
in the wrong direction ? dead.
Where you see aberration, where you would wish to detect
aberration, you must look for violations in the communication formula.
People who consistently and continually violate portions of the
communication formula can be suspected of being just that dead. The
further one departs from the communication formula the more death
exists for them. The more concentrated they become on secrets, the
more they question intentions, the less they are likely to assume the
point of view called Cause or the point of view called Effect. ....
<end of quote>
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Indeed, a good idea to take a look at Dianetics once again.
I've done just that recently with "Dianetics 55!".
It contains very useful data for TROMers. E.g. the whole
chapter about "Communication Lag" which once and for all should
clean out any doubts about flattening a process.
Following I insert an excerpt from "DIANETICS 55!" on child-parent
relationships which might be of particular interest for you David.
<quote>
.... The communication formula was derived from an observation of
and working with life. It could be derived only because one had entirely
abandoned the idea that energy could tell anyone anything. Life is not
energy. Energy is the by-product of Life.
[Where else have we heard that? I give a hint: Substitute Life with
Games and Energy with Mass. - Robin]
Your recluse is one who has become so thoroughly convinced that
there are no obtainable answers from anyone that he does no longer
believe that Life itself exists. He is the only living thing alive, in
his
opinion. Why? Because he is the only thing which communicates. I dare
say every recluse, every ?only one,? every obsessively or compulsively
communicating individual has so thoroughly associated with ?life units?
which were so dead that it became ?very plain? that no one else was
alive. The attitude of a child towards the adult contains the opinion
that
adults have very little Life in them. A child, with his enthusiasms, is
in
his family everywhere surrounded by communication blocks of greater
or lesser magnitude. His questions do not get answers. The
communications which are addressed to him are not posed in a way
which can be duplicated. In other words, the adult does not make
himself duplicatable. Freud and his confreres were entirely in error in
believing that the child is totally self-centered. It is not the child
who
is
totally self-centered. He believes that he is in communication with the
total world. Investigation of children demonstrates that they are very
heavy on the First, Second, Third and Fourth Dynamics. The child is so
convinced of his ability to communicate that he will touch a hot stove.
Life has no terrors for him. He has not yet learned by experience that
he cannot communicate. It?s the adult who is drawn back into the ?only
one? and one believes that the inspiration of this continuous belief on
the part of a psychologist and psychoanalyst that the child is entirely
self-centered and living in his own world must be the expression of an
opinion held by the psychoanalyst and psychologist out of his own
bank. As one grows one goes less and less into communication with
the environment until he is at last entirely out of it. Only he is out
of
it
in the wrong direction ? dead.
Where you see aberration, where you would wish to detect
aberration, you must look for violations in the communication formula.
People who consistently and continually violate portions of the
communication formula can be suspected of being just that dead. The
further one departs from the communication formula the more death
exists for them. The more concentrated they become on secrets, the
more they question intentions, the less they are likely to assume the
point of view called Cause or the point of view called Effect. ....
<end of quote>
For those who do not have a copy of "DIANETICS 55!" at hand and
are interested, you can download it as pdf her:
http://liferepairspecialist.com/ScientologyMaterials/index.
php?dir=Books%2F&download=1955+DIANETICS+55.pdf
Regards
Robin
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1. Re: Motivators (The Resolution of Mind list)
2. Re: Motivators (The Resolution of Mind list)
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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 16:04:00 -0400
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Pete,
I was doing L4 "Prevented from being known" this morning. And only
saw
blackness.
I just happened to come across my dianetics book, after posting that.
And briefly read about "shut up" etc. in engrams.
And my dad's additional: you don't do anything unless I tell you too.
It would be a very good idea for everyone to read dianetics again.
David
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Hi David
First you are aware of the problem so you are close to a solution.
If the motivators do not come up at level 3 then you will surely find
them
at level 4 when you run "Prevented from being known"
When you get to level 5 you will run levels 7A and 7B
7A is Prevented from being known where you have lost the battle.
7B is Prevented from being known where you are still struggling
against
the opponent who is preventing you from being known.
Sincerely
Pete McLaughlin
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Pete,
One thing I realized is that I can't find motivators.
My dad beat the idea of fighting back (or developing motivators ) out
of
me very early.
He "nipped it in the bud", as some say.
I cannot stand up for myself. I cannot fight. I can't even argue for
myself.
That is what is part of catatonia and cataplexy and catalepsy.
That is what Hubbard is talking about in Dianetics when he says the
Spartans would have no use for such an individual in their army. They
would feed him to the wolves. That is in my words, because it too
much
trouble to look up.
Do you have any suggestions on how to process that problem?
David
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