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Marcus,
I have a similar problem as you do. I know how to run that in co audit form. If you want to co audit TROM L4 on skype, email me: [email protected] Solo auditing on difficult cases can be like trying to pull your car out of the swamp by yourself with a rope. It is easier with a tow truck. David On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 3:20 PM, The Resolution of Mind list < [email protected]> wrote: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > > Hello Trommers > > > I've been trying L4 drills intermitently for six months with little > success and finally I think it's time to ask for some help. What happened > after a while of trying is that I acquired some frustration with the vague > meaning of the 'know' verb and I now keep flipping my mind around this > puzzle during the process. > > > I ask whoever has achieved success in level 4 to answer these two items. > > > 1) On the 'To Know" definition in Level 4 > > It seems the verb 'know' has two categories of meanings for trom (A and > B). Do you hold in mind which of these definitions? Or do these meanings > merge being basically the same in essence? Please explain how. > > *A)* To perceive / experience / acquire data / duplicate / etc > > *B)* To believe, or hold a conviction beyond need of proof in your mind > > > Plus, every overwhelm seems to inherently contain the overwhelm Infliction > (*which is what causes a conviction* - *meaning B*) for the loser: > > I Must know that I must be (make X effect) known > I Must know that I must be (make X effect) not known > I Must know that I must know X effect > I Must know that I must not know X effect > > > > 2) Could you describe how was your mental process of doing level 4, > meaning what words (commands, synonimous of know, etc) did you use and what > visualizations or steps did you go through mentally until new material > showed up. Also, is the Be, Do, Have version from Paul a last resort or a > smaller and easier gradient? > > > > Marcus > > > p.s. I was researching this subject in the old archives yesterday and > coincidentally found Paul tipon's (whom I wasnt aware of until then) > explanations on this level, which are the most detailed in the recordings > of this list. Coincidentally he resurged later that same day on this list > after many years of absence! Kind of weird huh? > > _______________________________________________ > TROM mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > >
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