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Hi Marcus I also struggled to understand the "to be known" postulate package. For me the problem was that "to be known" is every way an individual try's to make his presence known to others in this universe. That was just to broad to get a handle on to start with.
A comedian will try to make you laugh, a politician will try to make you listen and a soldier will try to make you obey or die. All of these are to be known's. I finally got it when i changed the postulates from "to be known" like this: 1. Must be known 2. Must not be known 3. Must know 4. Must not know To "forcing to be known" and "taking from another" like this: 1. Force on another what they are unwilling to have 2. Deprive another of what they want 3. Take from another what they are unwilling to give 4. Refuse to take what another is trying to force on me. As i used this form to get results from level 4 and 5 i began to see how it all was an effort to communicate with others or "to be known to others" and "to know others." This wording helped me to get the meaning of "to be known" and "to know" for this postulate failure cycle. Does that help? Sincerely Pete McLaughlin Sent from my iPad > On Feb 8, 2017, at 12:20 PM, The Resolution of Mind list > <[email protected]> wrote: > > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > Hello Trommers > > > I've been trying L4 drills intermitently for six months with little success > and finally I think it's time to ask for some help. What happened after a > while of trying is that I acquired some frustration with the vague meaning of > the 'know' verb and I now keep flipping my mind around this puzzle during the > process. > > > I ask whoever has achieved success in level 4 to answer these two items. > > > 1) On the 'To Know" definition in Level 4 > > It seems the verb 'know' has two categories of meanings for trom (A and B). > Do you hold in mind which of these definitions? Or do these meanings merge > being basically the same in essence? Please explain how. > > A) To perceive / experience / acquire data / duplicate / etc > > B) To believe, or hold a conviction beyond need of proof in your mind > > > Plus, every overwhelm seems to inherently contain the overwhelm Infliction > (which is what causes a conviction - meaning B) for the loser: > > I Must know that I must be (make X effect) known > I Must know that I must be (make X effect) not known > I Must know that I must know X effect > I Must know that I must not know X effect > > > > 2) Could you describe how was your mental process of doing level 4, meaning > what words (commands, synonimous of know, etc) did you use and what > visualizations or steps did you go through mentally until new material showed > up. Also, is the Be, Do, Have version from Paul a last resort or a smaller > and easier gradient? > > > > Marcus > > > p.s. I was researching this subject in the old archives yesterday and > coincidentally found Paul tipon's (whom I wasnt aware of until then) > explanations on this level, which are the most detailed in the recordings of > this list. Coincidentally he resurged later that same day on this list after > many years of absence! Kind of weird huh? > _______________________________________________ > TROM mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
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