Blainer) Here is what the BoM says for all to read. (1 Nephi 28-29): 28) Wherefore, thou seest that after the book hath gone forth through the hands of the great and abominable church, that there are many plain and precious things taken away from the book, which is the book of the Lamb of God (undoubtedly a reference to the New Testement, and possibly the OT). 29) And after these plain and precious parts were taken away it goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles; and after it goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles, yea, even across the many waters which thou hast seen with the Gentiles which have gone forth out of captivity (to America, i.e. the Pilgrims, many other settlers), thou seest--BECAUSE OF THE MANY PLAIN AND PRECIOUS THINGS WHICH HAVE BEEN TAKEN OUT OF THE BOOK, which were plain unto the children of men, according to the plainess which is in the Lamb of God--BECAUSE OF THESE THINGS WHICH ARE TAKEN OUT OF THE GOSPEL OF THE LAMB, an exceeding great many do stumble, yea, insomuch that Satan hath great power over them.
Please note it does not condemn the Bible as being a tool of Satan. It condemns the removal of things that could have led to a clearer understanding of the gospel for many people. On Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:04:15 -0400 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Glenn wrote: > >>> BLAINE SAYS THE BIBLE IS SOMETHING THAT > >>> BRINGS PEOPLE UNDER THE POWER OF SATAN > > DaveH wrote: > >> Until you post Blaine's letter saying such, you are only > >> jeopardizing your own credibility, Glenn. Did not > >> DavidM even correct you on this matter? > > Glenn wrote: > > I remember DavidM backing me up. Maybe he > > can bring my memory up to date. > > What I had agreed with in the past was a technicality, that the > specific > language of how the Bible was a "tool of Satan" was my language and > not > Blaine's language. Blainer) This seems to be the crux of the whole thing here. David's biases prompted his wordage. I don't agree with his interpretation of what the BoM is saying. The BoM is innocently suggesting there are many things made plain in the BoM that are not clearly stated in the Bible. This does not mean the Bible is wrong, it just says that it is not always plain and clear. It seems to me this is a fair evaluation. That is how I see the Bible. It is God's word as far as it goes, just some missing parts. It obviously does a lot of good even with the missing parts, so how can you call it a tool of Satan? The BoM does not do that, neither do I. God in his mercy saw fit to undo the works of evil that made the Bible unclear in some places by giving us the BoM. And what happens? Most people ridicule this and defend the Bible's shortcomings as if it were a personal thing. God tries to help, and people get upset. Maybe he should have stayed in bed in the day he undertook to help us overcome the devil's handiwork. Some people just do not appreciate God for all the good he tries to do for us. Sometimes I feel like just throwing up my hands and saying, "pardon us Mormons for living!" Or, "pardon God for trying to help us out." The Bible says not to give gifts that are not appreciated. Maybe we should stop trying to do this, huh? (:>) Nevertheless, I consider my words an accurate > summary of > what Blaine wrote. Blaine quoted 1 Nephi 13 to argue how the Bible > had lost > many "plain and precious parts" and had thereby led many people into > error. Blainer) Maybe what we need to do is investigate whether the claims made in 1 Nephi are true or not. If plain and precious parts are missing, we should be able to identify them in the BoM. > A reading of 1 Nephi 13:29 in the light of Blaine's comments > revealed how it > was that Mormon theology teaches that the Bible is a tool of Satan > in that > its alledged missing of many "plain and precious parts" brings > people under > the power of Satan. > To my knowledge, neither Blaine nor Dave Hansen have repudiated my > summary > of these passages. I have expressed my viewpoint that this is > blasphemy, to > claim that the Bible brings an "exceedingly great many" under the > "great > power" of Satan. Blaine and Dave Hansen still have not answered > this point. Blainer) Would you agree if we did? Probably not. But I did repudiate it to my satisfaction, just apparently not to yours. I guess you are going to have to go through life struggling with this, wresting it to your own eventual condemnation. What you are resisting is the word of God to us in these latter days. Does that not mean anything to you? Talk about Blasphemey!! > > Is the Bible a tool of God to bring people out of the darkness of > this world > and into the light of God's kingdom, or as the Book of Mormon > teaches, is > the Bible a tool of Satan that brings an "exceedingly great many" > under the > "great power" of Satan? I believe that Bible is God's Word which > delivers > men from Satan's power. I think Blaine should clarify again what he > believes if he does not believe that the Bible is a tool of Satan. > Thus > far, he has retreated from the discussion on this point, and it does > appear > that Glenn is right in saying that "Blaine let the cat out of the > bag." > > Peace be with you. > David Miller. > > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you > may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you > have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
