� David Miller wrote:
> David Miller wrote: > >> No matter how plain the Bible might appear to be about matters, > >> men can twist it to their own destruction if they want to. > > DAVEH: > > I agree. To me it seems logical that the more "Scripture" we > > have, the less likely that will be. I don't quite understand why > > Bible only believers don't see the confusion caused by lack > > of sufficient information. > > I do not think we need MORE written information.� We need men to accept what > information we are already given. DAVEH:� I understand your point, and agree with it to a certain extent.� The Lord has revealed his gospel to man as man has had the capacity to live it.� (And....sometimes, the Lord has perhaps given more than man is willing to accept!)� That is why there were mysteries in the Bible.� But yet the prophets seem to suggest that those who believe in Christ will learn the answers to those mysteries.� As the gospel has developed (been revealed) since Adam, the mysteries melt away as more knowledge is received.� So far.....I suspect we are in agreement, DavidM. ��� But where we part company, is where we believe the Lord has revealed things that are not now known.� IF he revealed things that were lost (or removed), then I think it is difficult, if not impossible, for "men to accept what information we are already given".� You have assumed that the "information we are already given" is wholly contained in the Bible.� Yet, I think you made some statements contrary to that, in which you said there is a lot revealed that is not in the Bible.� (I'm not taking time to search out your comments.....that's just as I remember them.)� Anyway......do you see where we diverge on this matter?� IMHO, it isn't that we necessarily need MORE than the Lord has revealed, but rather that we just need ALL that he has revealed. > I believe that when men embrace fully all > the information already given by the Spirit or by the Bible, and they > believe and trust in the Christ as presented in the Bible, then they will > receive the Holy Spirit and receive whatever additional knowledge they need > through the Holy Spirit. DAVEH:� That is the way it SHOULD work, but obviously it doesn't.....witness the baptism of infants doctrinal differences.� IMO, if the Bible stated what the BofM states regarding baptism of children, there wouldn't be much room for dispute or question. > DAVEH: > > Don't you think though, that there are a lot of sincere > > people who still believe in false doctrines taught from > > skewed beliefs taken from the Bible? > > No, I think such people believe what they want to believe, and then they try > to interpret the Bible in a way that justifies their way of thinking. DAVEH:� I'm sure that happens too.� Let's remember Glenn as the prime example!� <VBG> ��� ROTFLOL.......Since I beat Glenn to that, don't let him use it on me in retaliation! > �Now > they might be sincere about it, but they are sincerely wrong.� I do not > believe that they sincerely allow the Bible to speak without the influence > of other doctrines outside of the Bible, or without their own motivations to > believe certain things.� For example, although the Bible condemns drinking > of wine DAVEH:� Yet how many Christian churches use wine as part of their communion? > and the practice of polygamy among spiritual leaders such as > priests, elders, and kings, there will continue to be men like Joseph Smith > who do these things and then find a way to rationalize it and make it appear > allowable. DAVEH:� In JS's case, IF the Lord commanded polygamy, then it wasn't a matter of rationalization. > David Miller wrote: > >> If a person loves Jesus and obeys him, he will walk > >> in the truth and be led into clear knowledge of the truth. > > DAVEH: > > IMO......Real life sometimes betrays that notion. > > I think it betrays it from your perspective because you don't have a clear > understanding of what it means to love and obey Jesus. DAVEH:� I suspect there are numerous Christian preachers who have taught the same, but have strayed from the path of truth.� Take my previous example of baptizing infants....I don't think that all those who do such fail to have a clear meaning of "what it means to love and obey Jesus".� But many times they simply have no choice IF that is the procedure their dogma dictates.� To go to the extreme, can you imagine a Catholic Priest refusing to baptize an infant that is brought to him by parents who religiously try to practice their religion out of love of the Lord?� Even if that priest were to suspect the fallacy of the infant baptism doctrine, I'm sure he'd go ahead with the rite.� Not doing so would quickly bring about his expulsion from a position where he might perceive God has called him to serve.� I'm getting wordy again.....but, do you see my point? > �For example, you > have mentioned in the past that you still sin at times.� That tells me that > you have not really embraced Jesus in fullness. DAVEH:� I confess.� Glenn is right......I'm the scum bag of TT!��� <VBG> Seriously......are you saying that ALL believers who continue to sin "have not really embraced Jesus in fullness"? > �I think when men walk in > holiness, and truly believe in Jesus, they will receive his Spirit and come > into that clear knowledge of the truth. DAVEH:� I agree with you on that.� However, that doesn't mean that they will never again commit a transgression. > �I have yet to observe any > exceptions. > > Peace be with you. > David Miller. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ � ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. 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