Re: [TruthTalk] Hitler and Glenn

[Marlin Halverson]

"This is what Marlin teaches...."--Glenn Correction.  This is what Glenn wants to say Marlin teaches.   I do not know how this incessant accuser of the brethren can make up something in his own imagination and speak it as though it is true and begin to accuse others of his imaginations.  Such prevarication is beyond me.   1CO 2:11    For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.   How can anyone think that the law God gave is now evil?    ISA 5:20    � Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put             darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for             sweet, and sweet for bitter!   I sing this song of David and rejoice!    How sweet are thy words unto my taste! [yea, sweeter] than honey to             my mouth!  Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every             false way.  Thy word [is] a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.     PSA 119:103-105,   Marlin ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hitler and Marlin Galatians is the letter Paul wrote defending his teaching.  FALSE TEACHERS, who were professing Jewish Christians (called Judaizers), were teaching "double wrong" doctrine about salvation. NOTE: "HAD" AND "SALVATION" TO TOGETHER. 1. That a person had to undergo the ritual of circumcision 2. That a person had to observe the Old Testament Sabbath and other Old Testament religious practices.  This is what Marlin teaches. Paul taught a man is saved by Christ and by Christ alone. Glenn wrote: > God actually cast the Judiazers out of the > church because he said they were fallen > from grace. Where did God say that?  Are you sure you aren't getting a little mixed up here? If a person is fallen from grace they are not a part of the Lord's Church.  "Ye are fallen from grace".  Gal. 5:4.  If a person is out of grace they cannot be a part of the church.  If a person is out of grace, can they be on their way to heaven?  You are teaching, me just like Izzy, that the doctrine of eternal security is correct.  Those that believe that doctrine teach, one can fall from grace and still go to heaven.  You are trying to say these Judiazers were part of the church.  What Paul said was that the Gentiles who tried to keep the law for salvation were the ones who would be fallen from grace.  If the GENTILES became circumcised in order to be justified before God, then Christ would profit them nothing.  But Paul never said that the Judaizers were fallen from grace because they were circumcised.  God commanded Jews to be circumcised but he never commanded Gentiles to be circumcised.  Let's rightly divide the Word of God. CIRCUMCISION WAS ONLY ONE SMALL PART OF THEIR DOCTRINE.  They taught Old Testament law keeping.  Those Judiazers who taught Old Testament law keeping are not fallen from grace, and those Gentiles who believed what the Judiazers taught are not fallen from grace?  This is nonsense. Here's what Paul taught to people like you, Glenn, who would judge Sabbath keepers as fallen from grace and even kick them out of the church. WRONG.  I am not judging the weaker Christian.  I am quoting the Bible which says that if you go back under the law you are fallen from grace.  If a person is so weak in the faith they feel they have to observe the Old Testament Sabbath, that is OK with me.  THAT IS NOT WHAT MARLIN IS TEACHING!!!!!  "Not" as in "nada".  Marlin is teaching that you and I have to follow the Old Testament Sabbath in order to be in right standing with God.  I teach that Christ has become of no effect to Marlin or anyone who teaches this false doctrine.  Gal. 5:4.  Why?  Because they are fallen from grace.  Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. ... Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. ... Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at naught thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. So Paul receives the Sabbath keeper, and encourages us to receive him, but not to doubtful disputations.  How about you, Glenn?  Can you obey Paul's teaching here and do likewise?  Can you receive Marlin, but not to doubtful disputations?  Does the Word of God here in Romans 14 have any meaning to you whatsoever?  Can you respect the Word of God here and agree with it? To receive Marlin is to deny the Bible.  DAVID, YOU HAVE A HUGE BLIND SPOT HERE.  WHY DO YOU REFUSE TO HERE WHAT MARLIN IS SAYING?  No, no, no, I do not receive Marlin.  He is fallen from grace. Gal. 5:4. To receive the Sabbath keeper and to receive the Judiazer are two different things.  Rom. 14 applies to Izzy.  Rom. 14 does not apply to Marlin.  I CANNOT receive Marlin as he is fallen from grace.  To receive him is to compromise the doctrine of salvation by faith through grace.  FINALLY, IS ONE WHO SOWES DISCORD AMONG THE BRETHREN.  HE HAS SAID SO ON TT.   EVEN IF HE WERE NOT A JUDIAZER, THE BIBLE TEACHES TO DISFELLOWSHIP HIM.   Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida  USA