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Izzy:
Funny you should ask that last question, 'cause Jesus never told
us to study the Bible in order to know the truth.
He said that the Holy Spirit would lead us in all truth.
We need (must Have) the Holy Spirit working in us in order
to understand the Bible, and we must have the Bible to know
about the Holy Spirit, and to know that all spirits are not Holy.
It was twelve degrees this morning here in north Florida.
We do not normally insulate pipes here, so the hardware
store is doing a booming business in pvc fittings.
I was among their customers. Hope y'all fared better up north.
Terry
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Date: Friday, January 24, 2003 14:45:04
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] More from Frangipane:
Hi Terry,
Ha! Sorry, but in fairness to Francis, I must tell you these are just a FEW excerpts from what he has written (hopping around in a chapter), and surely NOT a complete picture of all his viewpoints. He is very big on eliminating sin in ourselves, however, before we get to the business of doing spiritual warfare. For that reason he warns us that Jesus called those who judged without first examining their own hearts �hypocrites�, because they were usually guilty of worse sins than those they were judging. (I�ve noticed that in myself; quite often the people who irritate me the most are quite a bit like me! Oh, horrid thought!)
As far as studying His Word, I am sure no one would agree with you more than F.F. After 30 years of studying it myself, I find you can never �know it all�. The truth there is infinite. There are deeper and deeper levels of understanding all the time for those willing to search them out.
Do you think that one can have discernment purely by studying, or do you think that the leading of the Holy Spirit is also necessary?
Izzy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 2:20 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] More from Frangipane:
Part truth, part B.S.. True discernment is a gift from God that only is granted to those who STUDY His word. We are not born with immaculate perception. We are not told not to judge. We are told not to judge until we get the beam out of our eye. Please explain that to Francis.
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Date: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:38:45
Subject: [TruthTalk] More from Frangipane:
Here are a few good words from Francis Frangipane�s �The 3 Battlegrounds�, regarding Discernment:
�If we do not move in divine forgiveness, we will walk in much deception. We will presume we have discernment when, in truth, we are seeing through the weil of a �critical spirit.� We must know our weaknesses, for if we are blind to our sins, what we assume we discern in men will merely be the reflection of ourselves. Indeed, if we do not move in love, we will actually become a menace to the body of Christ.
The judgmental carnal mind always see the image of itself in others. Without realizing it is seeing itself, it assumes it is perceiving others. Jesus refers to the person who judges as a �hypocrite�. All true discernment comes through a heart that has ceased striving, a heart that knows, even in the fiery trial of its personal struggle, that the Lord is God.
Discernment comes from abounding love. There is a false discernment that is based on mistrust, suspicion, and fear. You can recognize false discernment by the coldness around it. It comes out of criticism. True discernment is rooted deeply in love.
Love precedes peace, and peace precedes perception. Without love and peace in your heart, your judgment will be overly harsh. Regardless of the smile upon your face, your heart will have too much anger. False discernment is always slow to hear, quick to speak, and quick to anger.
There is a tension underlying false discernment, an anxiety that pressures the mind to make judgment. Therefore, we must learn to mistrust our judgement when our heart is bitter, angry, ambitious, or harboring strife for any reason. To hear clearly from God, we must first have peace.
If we want discernment we must become aggressively calm. This is not a passive state of mind, but an expectant, focused waiting upon God.�
May the Lord bless me, and all of us on TT, with true discernment, that comes from a loving and peaceful heart resting in Christ. J Izzy
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