Title: Re: [TruthTalk] God and war
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Greetings Peter in the Matchless Name
of YahShua !!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 01/26/2003 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God and war
> Personally, I don�t agree with
this, as �Christ is the end of the [Mosaic] law for those who believe� and I
think a new dynamic replaces all the old rules.
I would take war out of the
ethics debate and into secular politics and
citizenship.
Cheers
Peter
Respectfully, Peter, ye're all wet,
mate.
The word "end" there is not as in "abolish"
but rather as in "goal". Hence your entire view of the "old" testament
economy is skewed. We'd be much better under that economy and
bloodthirstiness would be exceedingly limited (after an initial test run that
is!). That is EXACTLY what WILL occur when THE Kingdom of The Most High is
set up ... and ALL quite "old" testament economy like!
Ta-ta!
Chris
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 01/26/2003 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God and
war
G�day Terry et al,
Well I haven�t thought
through all the war business, so this is straight off the top of my
head.
In the OT, God instigates and approves war, and the torah has
these specific rules for war.
Don�t fear the enemy in war and don�t
panic in battle: Deut. 3:22, 7:21, 20:3
Anoint a special
Priest to encourage the soldiers to fight: Deut. 20:2
In
a permissive war (as distinguished from obligatory ones), offer peace with
slavery. If they don�t accept kill all the men and enjoy the spoil - taking
the women and children: Deut. 20:10
Don�t allow any
individual of the seven Canaanite nations to live: Deut.
20:16
Exterminate the seven Canaanite nations from the land of Israel:
Deut. 20:17
Don�t destroy fruit trees (wantonly or in
warfare): Deut. 20:19-20
If you take a beautiful woman
captive in war allow her to mourn for a month: Deut.
21:10-14
If the beautiful woman you have taken captive in war doesn�t
satisfy you, let her go free and don�t sell her as a slave:
Deut. 21:14
Don�t treat the beautiful woman you have
taken captive in war as a slave: Deut. 21:14
Don�t offer
peace to the Ammonites & the Moabites before waging war on them (as should
be done to other nations): Deut. 23:7
Anyone who is
unclean shall not enter the Camp of the Levites (Talmud: this is now the
Temple mount): Deut. 23:11
Do have a place outside the
camp for sanitary purposes: Deut. 23:13
Do keep that
place sanitary: Deut. 23:14-15
Always remember what
Amalek did: Deut. 25:17
Don�t forget the evil done by
Amalek: Deut. 25:19
Totally destroy the seed (i.e.
nation) of Amalek: Deut. 25:19
The rules approve
�ethnic cleansing�, �first strike� and �no mercy�.
Psalm 137 has two
�beatitudes�.
�Blessed are those who pay [Babylon] back for what [they]
have done.�
�Blessed are those who take your infants [by the feet] and
smashes [their heads] against a rock.�
If you are going to accept the
OT rules as a guide for life then you will end up quite
bloodthirsty.
One modern way around this is to say that the cross is
like a prism.
All the rules are �bent� a bit, and some rules are bent
right out of the picture and some new ones are bent in.
�Faith and
obedience� is then the same in the OT and NT � just with different rules. (An
Anglican bishop friend of mine teaches this.)
Personally, I don�t agree
with this, as �Christ is the end of the [Mosaic] law for those who believe�
and I think a new dynamic replaces all the old rules.
I would take war out
of the ethics debate and into secular politics and
citizenship.
Cheers
Peter
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Peter Eyland
Sydney
Australia
Web page:
http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/~epe
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