[TruthTalk] Love or Rebuke?

[jandgtaylor1]

From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Judy wrote: > I find it sad and disconcerting that God's ppl are > reduced to 'methods' Just like so many fads that go > through the professing Church, first the Prayer of > Jabez and now this Purpose Driven Life/Church.  > Everyone has to do this new program now.  You would > think there was no Holy Spirit.   It doesn't all have to be reduced to methods, but some of us are pragmatic and are interested in results.  Is something wrong with that? Isn't that the basis for your criticism, that their methods might be giving Christianity a bad reputation?   Judy: It began with the controversy over motive for the ministry of Christ which is love vs rebuke/condemnation/shame.   I do not see Kevin bragging about anything or trying to get notches in his belt.  If he is doing that, God will deal with him.  What I see on the list is how he has expressed how he does things in response to questions, and it seems like you object.    Judy: Not always, most of the time it is Kevin objecting to things I write.     It seems to me that these men, Kevin, Ruben, and Dean, are directed by the Holy Spirit to get in the face of the devil in our society, and you are sitting in you lazy boy chair saying, "I don't believe in that.  You guys are in the flesh. Come sit with me and enjoy love and tranquility.  No need to fight."   Judy: Anything outside of love is not the ministry of Jesus - this is what I have been trying unsuccessfully to say. I don't know what to say about your lazy boy fantasy - we don't have one.   You may not be trying to come across that way, but it does sound that way.  I think you have some good points that can help some of the preachers in motivation and cherishing love, but you have to at least agree with them on the points that are Biblical.    Judy: I don't know about 'cherishing love' Just plain old respect and civility - Christian love will do.   For example, can't you budge even one inch that the message of repentance and reproving one another are important aspects of the body of Christ?  Can you say, "Amen"?  I think you can.  Let's hear you do that.   Judy: I'm not against repentance and reproof and so long as it is within the body of Christ, I'm all for it.   I think Ruben has been making some really excellent posts.  How do you react to the things Ruben has shared?   Judy: Which things?   Grace and Peace, Judy