David Miller wrote:
>> There is only one person that I had to ban from 
>> the list and that is because when he was rebuked 
>> by me, he did what he wanted anyway.  Some people 
>> just like to flame others and make them mad.  
>> We don't allow that here.

Dean wrote:
> Was that Jim Webber? Was he sent from this list? 
> If not you might speak to him because he believes 
> he was banned from this list.

No, it was not Jim Webber.  Jim Webber has never been removed from this
list, nor has he been asked to leave.  He is always welcome here just
like everybody else who keeps the no ad hominem argument rule.

Dean writes:
> Are you not in a sense-separating the sin from the sinner? 
> David ask yourself this-What if the Spirit leads one of us 
> to rebuke a person for sin and you weaken that rebuke? What 
> happens to that person that the Lord sent the rebuke to create 
> fear in? Do you not think that this could very easily
> cause you to struggle against God?

Rebukes such as these should be done off the forum.  It is much more
effective that way anyway.  No need to grandstand before everyone else
when you issue your rebuke.  Just write to them privately.  Ask them for
their phone number and call them on the phone to communicate your
rebuke.  That would be even better.  Or, ask them if you can come visit
them.  In person would be the best way to communicate your rebuke.  Ask
the Holy Spirit, Dean.  He will tell you that what I am saying is true.

David Miller wrote:
>> You have rebuked me for allowing non-Christians on the list.  
>> I have not censored you for that.  I would like to see 
>> continued discussion about it.  However, if you start railing 
>> at me and calling me an idiot and not really discussing the
>> differences, then we will have a problem.

Dean wrote:
> No David-I rebuked you nor allowing them to spend a long 
> amount of time among the brethren-here on this list. 

Dean, that is the same thing as not allowing Christians here.  What do I
say to someone like Dave?  "Sorry, Dave, you have been real nice and
all, but we only allow Christians on the list and in my judgment you are
not one, so you have been banned from the list."  

By the way, in your opinion, how long do we allow non-Christian visitors
before giving them the boot?

Dean wrote:
> I removed the rebuke after Ruben asked me to-I believe he did 
> this to create unity between the brethern-I do not think he 
> fully understood the reasons for the rebuke. I have felt that
> I did wrong by removing the rebuke-and this has been an ongoing 
> deep problem for me to deal with-as it won't go away.

I believe that it won't go away because the Lord is dealing with you to
learn something here and you can't learn it if you don't press the
issue.  By confronting this thing and dealing with it, some bit of
knowledge is going to find a place in your mind and suddenly you will
have understanding.  You should not remove a rebuke (if that is even
possible) just because someone asks you too, but rather you should
repent of a rebuke falsely given with an understanding of why you were
wrong to give it.

Dean wrote:
> When have I railed at you or called you an idiot? 
> What do you seek to make me out to be? A loud mouth
> preacher that rails at people and calls them idiots?

LOL.  No, Dean, please read my statement again.  I was trying to say
that if you did these things, then we would have a problem.  We don't
have a problem because you have not done these things.  You are indeed
discussing the issues and not resorting to ad hominem arguments.

Peace be with you.
David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida.

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