> [Original Message]
> From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 12/21/2003 5:57:47 PM
> Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Izzy -You are right.
>
> David Miller wrote:
> >> There is only one person that I had to ban from
> >> the list and that is because when he was rebuked
> >> by me, he did what he wanted anyway. Some people
> >> just like to flame others and make them mad.
> >> We don't allow that here.
>
> Dean wrote:
> > Was that Jim Webber? Was he sent from this list?
> > If not you might speak to him because he believes
> > he was banned from this list.
>
> No, it was not Jim Webber. Jim Webber has never been removed from this
> list, nor has he been asked to leave. He is always welcome here just
> like everybody else who keeps the no ad hominem argument rule.
Dean writes *:
Glad to hear that-I will contact him as see if he is free to chat.
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> Dean writes:
> > Are you not in a sense-separating the sin from the sinner?
> > David ask yourself this-What if the Spirit leads one of us
> > to rebuke a person for sin and you weaken that rebuke? What
> > happens to that person that the Lord sent the rebuke to create
> > fear in? Do you not think that this could very easily
> > cause you to struggle against God?
>
> Rebukes such as these should be done off the forum. It is much more
> effective that way anyway. No need to grandstand before everyone else
> when you issue your rebuke. Just write to them privately. Ask them for
> their phone number and call them on the phone to communicate your
> rebuke. That would be even better. Or, ask them if you can come visit
> them. In person would be the best way to communicate your rebuke. Ask
> the Holy Spirit, Dean. He will tell you that what I am saying is true.
Dean writes:
I can accept that and agree to it as it is within the confines of the
bible-but will add that some rebukes is for others to see and fear-but as
that seem to be related to the church-I have no problem with complying to
these rules.
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> David Miller wrote:
> >> You have rebuked me for allowing non-Christians on the list.
> >> I have not censored you for that. I would like to see
> >> continued discussion about it. However, if you start railing
> >> at me and calling me an idiot and not really discussing the
> >> differences, then we will have a problem.
>
> Dean wrote:
> > No David-I rebuked you nor allowing them to spend a long
> > amount of time among the brethren-here on this list.
>
> Dean, that is the same thing as not allowing Christians here. What do I
> say to someone like Dave? "Sorry, Dave, you have been real nice and
> all, but we only allow Christians on the list and in my judgment you are
> not one, so you have been banned from the list."
* How about -"Time up- Hope you find God-it's over, If you have a problem
with doing this-give me the Moderator role for a day-I believe you site
would grow as God has need of this type of site within His guidelines of
course.
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> By the way, in your opinion, how long do we allow non-Christian visitors
> before giving them the boot?
*As in the age of accountability-that would be directly up to the ability
of the person to understand-with clarity-what the message of the gospel is.
You (as Moderator)of course would have to decide if that person has been
giving that message to his understanding-which shouldn't be hard for a
street preacher as we do that all the time on the street.
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> Dean wrote:
> > I removed the rebuke after Ruben asked me to-I believe he did
> > this to create unity between the brethern-I do not think he
> > fully understood the reasons for the rebuke. I have felt that
> > I did wrong by removing the rebuke-and this has been an ongoing
> > deep problem for me to deal with-as it won't go away.
>
> I believe that it won't go away because the Lord is dealing with you to
> learn something here and you can't learn it if you don't press the
> issue. By confronting this thing and dealing with it, some bit of
> knowledge is going to find a place in your mind and suddenly you will
> have understanding. You should not remove a rebuke (if that is even
> possible) just because someone asks you too, but rather you should
> repent of a rebuke falsely given with an understanding of why you were
> wrong to give it.
* I don't feel I did wrong by giving the rebuke -as it is in agreement
with the Bible-but I do feel wrong that I backed off from the rebuke-and
regret that decision due to it weakening the initial rebuke. Hey Bro. I got
an idea -lets' keep going the way we are and its' bound to happen again-and
wala-problem solved.And I promise not to weaken it down one bit. (VBG)
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> Dean wrote:
> > When have I railed at you or called you an idiot?
> > What do you seek to make me out to be? A loud mouth
> > preacher that rails at people and calls them idiots?
>
> LOL. No, Dean, please read my statement again. I was trying to say
> that if you did these things, then we would have a problem. We don't
> have a problem because you have not done these things. You are indeed
> discussing the issues and not resorting to ad hominem arguments.
* Some debates get to extreme levels to weaken the words of others by
making them appear foolish-which is no problem if they are foolish. But
what happens if they are presenting the truth of God's word? Do you see why
I asked?
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> Peace be with you.
> David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida.
>
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