Hi Kevin:
Just one more question along the lines of this thread.
You say you are "signed, sealed & delivered" IOW your salvation
is already
a done deal - right?
Well the apostle Paul who wrote all the scripture you quote below wrote
the
following about himself:
"Not that I have ALREADY ATTAINED or am already perfected, but I
press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid
hold
of me. Brethren I do not count myself to have apprehended but one thing
I
do, forgetting those things that lie behind and reaching forward to
those
things which are ahead, I press toward the goal for the prize of the
upward
call of God in Christ Jesus" (Phillippians 3:12,13)
So what is going on here? Do you know something that Paul was
ignorant
of?
Grace and Peace,
Judy
From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
JUDY:All well and good if you are walking in it
and have overcome the
world, the flesh, and the demonic but if you sin daily or are bound
by any particular besetting sin then you also are a work in progress
which means you are not totally delivered either.
world, the flesh, and the demonic but if you sin daily or are bound
by any particular besetting sin then you also are a work in progress
which means you are not totally delivered either.
KD:So who will do this deliverance, yourself?
Judy: The truth making you free is
present-progressive Kevin, it is not
an instant 'done-deal' We must walk in it. It's from glory to glory...
an instant 'done-deal' We must walk in it. It's from glory to glory...
KD:We MUST? What if some do not? What happens?
KD:How do you plan on accomplishing this, following the law?
Do you make yourself righteous?
What do you CALL this PROCESS?
Since I am FREE from SIN, I would count this as TOTALLY
DELIVERED.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from
sin.
God will not charge sin, He put all my sins away, past present
future. When He secured my salvation, IT WAS A DONE DEAL! "It is FINISHED" John
19:30 Are you going to add to what He has already done? Are you gonna do it
right, since he never finished the job?
Rom 4:7-8 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and
whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom
the Lord will not
impute sin.
Are you claiming you will perfect yourself?
Gal 1:1-3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not
Gal 1:1-3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not
obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set
forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye
the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye
so
foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made
perfect by the flesh?
The New man is created not put through a
process.
Were you created Right & Holy, yet?
Ep 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in
Ep 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in
righteousness and true
holiness.
Col 3:9-10 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old
man
with his deeds; And have put on the new man, which is
renewed in knowledge
after the image of him that created him:
Are you trying to put on your own
righteousness?
Phil 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is
Phil 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is
of the law, but that which is through the faith of
Christ, the
righteousness which is of God by faith
I am not missing anything maybe you are. Christ is
my ALL in ALL
I put off the sins of the Flesh BY the WORK of Jesus!
Are you trying to take His job?
Col 2:10-15 And ye are complete in him, which is the
head of all
principality and power: In whom also ye are circumcised with the
circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the
sins of
the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with
him in baptism,
wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation
of
God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your
sins
and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with
him,
having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the
handwriting of
ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it
out
of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities
and
powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in
it.
He established me in Holiness, are you trying to do it
yourself?
1 Thes 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness
1 Thes 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness
before God
Don't be SELF Righteous, put on Jesus Righteousness
Be careful of those that teach bad doctrine, withdraw from
them.
There is a DOCTRINE according to GODLINESS. Follow wholesome
words.
1 Tim 6:3-6 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome
1 Tim 6:3-6 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome
words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to
the doctrine which
is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing
nothing, but doting about
questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings,
evil surmisings, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and
destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such
From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
JUDY:Also many times we have areas that we
delivered from over a period of time
Is this Pentecostal Deliverance Theology,
you are preaching here?
Judy:
It is the teaching of scripture - all that makes sense.
You were not perfected, holy, and conformed to the image
of Christ the moment you said your prayer were you? No
you were a baby believer who was to grow in God's Word
and work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Kevin:
PS 105:17 He sent a man before them, even Joseph, who was sold for a
servant:
[18] Whose feet they hurt with fetters: he was laid in iron:
[19] Until the time that his word came: the word of the LORD tried him.
[20] The king sent and loosed him; even the ruler of the people, and let
him go free.
[21] He made him lord of his house, and ruler of all his substance:
[22] To bind his princes at his pleasure; and teach his senators wisdom.
Judy:
Yes the above describes the ministry of Joseph, what do these verses
have to do with the salvation of Kevin Deegan?
Kevin:
GLORY to GOD! REDEEMED, How I love to proclaim it, Redeemed by
the Blood of the LAMB! Because of His EXCELLENT MERCY, His
Child & Forever I am! He hath heard my cry! He lifted me OUT of the
Lowest Dungeon! He has made me Glad, He has made me Free, never
again bound by fetters! Praise His name!
Judy:
All well and good if you are walking in it and have overcome the
world, the flesh, and the demonic but if you sin daily or are bound
by any particular besetting sin then you also are a work in progress
which means you are not totally delivered either.
Kevin:
And by the way it was a point in time not a period of time! Jesus
set me free Dec 10 1972, & now I am FREE INDEED!
Judy:
Oh! So you have not sinned in thought, word and deed since
December 10, 1972. You have had 31yrs free from sin entirely.
Kevin:
John.8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make
you free. [36] If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall
be free indeed. I say take hold of that free gift, take of the water of
life. Take hold of life more abundant Rev.22[17] And the Spirit and
the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let
him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water
of life freely. So long as there is a human being who does not know
Jesus Christ, I am his debtor to serve him until he does.
Oswald Chambers
Judy:
The truth making you free is present-progressive Kevin, it is not
an instant 'done-deal' We must walk in it. It's from glory to glory...
"If the righteous SCARCELY be saved, where shall the ungodly
and the sinner appear" (1 Peter 4:18)
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