Re: [TruthTalk] signed sealed & delivered

[Kevin Deegan]

I just think you are walking by sight

There is nothing I can add to what Jesus has already DONE!

Are you saying you can now be perfected in your flesh?

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Hi Kevin:

Just one more question along the lines of this thread.

You say you are "signed, sealed & delivered"  IOW your salvation is already

a done deal - right?

 

Well the apostle Paul who wrote all the scripture you quote below wrote the

following about himself:

 

"Not that I have ALREADY ATTAINED or am already perfected, but I

press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold

of me. Brethren I do not count myself to have apprehended but one thing I

do, forgetting those things that lie behind and reaching forward to those

things which are ahead, I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward

call of God in Christ Jesus" (Phillippians 3:12,13)

 

So what is going on here?  Do you know something that Paul was ignorant

of?

 

Grace and Peace,

Judy

 

 

From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

JUDY:All well and good if you are walking in it and have overcome the
world, the flesh, and the demonic but if you sin daily or are bound
by any particular besetting sin then you also are a work in progress
which means you are not totally delivered either.

 

KD:So who will do this deliverance, yourself?

 

Judy: The truth making you free is present-progressive Kevin, it is not
an instant 'done-deal' We must walk in it. It's from glory to glory...

 

KD:We MUST? What if some do not? What happens?

KD:How do you plan on accomplishing this, following the law?
Do you make yourself righteous?

What do you CALL this PROCESS?

 

Since I am FREE from SIN, I would count this as TOTALLY DELIVERED.

Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

God will not charge sin, He put all my sins away, past present future. When He secured my salvation, IT WAS A DONE DEAL! "It is FINISHED" John 19:30 Are you going to add to what He has already done? Are you gonna do it right, since he never finished the job?

Rom 4:7-8 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and

whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not

impute sin.

Are you claiming you will perfect yourself?
Gal 1:1-3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not

obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set

forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye

the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so

foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

The New man is created not put through a process. 

Were you created Right & Holy, yet?
Ep 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in

righteousness and true holiness.

Col 3:9-10 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man

with his deeds; And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge

after the image of him that created him:

Are you trying to put on your own righteousness? 
Phil 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is

of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the

righteousness which is of God by faith

 

I am not missing anything maybe you are. Christ is my ALL in ALL

I put off the sins of the Flesh BY the WORK of Jesus!

Are you trying to take His job?

Col 2:10-15 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all

principality and power: In whom also ye are circumcised with the

circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of

the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism,

wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of

God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins

and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him,

having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of

ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out

of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and

powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

He established me in Holiness, are you trying to do it yourself?
1 Thes 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness

before God

 

Don't be SELF Righteous, put on Jesus Righteousness

Be careful of those that teach bad doctrine, withdraw from them.

There is a DOCTRINE according to GODLINESS. Follow wholesome words.
1 Tim 6:3-6 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome

words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which

is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about

questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings,

evil surmisings,  Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and

destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such

withdraw thyself. But godliness with contentment is great gain.
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
JUDY:Also many times we have areas that we
delivered from over a period of time

Is this Pentecostal Deliverance Theology,
you are preaching here?

Judy:
It is the teaching of scripture - all that makes sense.
You were not perfected, holy, and conformed to the image
of Christ the moment you said your prayer were you? No
you were a baby believer who was to grow in God's Word
and work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Kevin:
PS 105:17 He sent a man before them, even Joseph, who was sold for a
servant:
[18] Whose feet they hurt with fetters: he was laid in iron:
[19] Until the time that his word came: the word of the LORD tried him.
[20] The king sent and loosed him; even the ruler of the people, and let
him go free.
[21] He made him lord of his house, and ruler of all his substance:
[22] To bind his princes at his pleasure; and teach his senators wisdom.

Judy:
Yes the above describes the ministry of Joseph, what do these verses
have to do with the salvation of Kevin Deegan?

Kevin:
GLORY to GOD! REDEEMED, How I love to proclaim it, Redeemed by
the Blood of the LAMB! Because of His EXCELLENT MERCY, His
Child & Forever I am! He hath heard my cry! He lifted me OUT of the
Lowest Dungeon! He has made me Glad, He has made me Free, never
again bound by fetters! Praise His name!

Judy:
All well and good if you are walking in it and have overcome the
world, the flesh, and the demonic but if you sin daily or are bound
by any particular besetting sin then you also are a work in progress
which means you are not totally delivered either.

Kevin:
And by the way it was a point in time not a period of time! Jesus
set me free Dec 10 1972, & now I am FREE INDEED!

Judy:
Oh! So you have not sinned in thought, word and deed since
December 10, 1972. You have had 31yrs free from sin entirely.

Kevin:
John.8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make
you free. [36] If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall
be free indeed. I say take hold of that free gift, take of the water of
life. Take hold of life more abundant Rev.22[17] And the Spirit and
the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let
him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water
of life freely. So long as there is a human being who does not know
Jesus Christ, I am his debtor to serve him until he does.
Oswald Chambers

Judy:
The truth making you free is present-progressive Kevin, it is not
an instant 'done-deal' We must walk in it. It's from glory to glory...

"If the righteous SCARCELY be saved, where shall the ungodly
and the sinner appear" (1 Peter 4:18)
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