Judy:
What scripture Kevin? I see nothing at all about tongues in
1 Cor 14:38 - why do you mention it?
From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
This scripture you quote has to do with
Tongues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Without the 'fall', there could be no 'salvation'
Can you elaborate?
Judy:
I'm assuming this question is directed at DaveH but why question him
so intently about his Mormon beliefs until TT becomes a platform for
them lifting up a false Christ? Did Paul write "If any man be ignorant -
straighten him out?" No.. he wrote "But if any man be ignorant, let
him be ignorant" (1 Cor 14:38) because when there is no love for the
truth in a persons heart - God himself will send them strong delusion
so that they might believe the lie (2 Thess 2:10,11). As for the ???
above - if there was no fall there would be no need for salvation
because mankind would not have incurred God's wrath to begin with.
Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
jt: I understand what you are saying but not the point of all of it.
Why accuse God? This is just the way it is and if there is more to it
that
we should know he will reveal this also - in his time. But then I've been
doing a little research, and have read that your Church believes that
there was some kind of a council of gods in heaven and that Lucifer and
Jesus (who are supposedly spirit brothers) both presented their plans.
Lucifer's plan was to force men to worship god.
Michael D: No wonder LDS can't stand public evangelism...
and Jesus' plan was to show them how to worship god. Lucifer's plan
was rejected, and Jesus' plan was accepted. (Pearl of Great Price, Book
of Moses 4:103) Is the above what you believe DaveH?
DAVEH: Yes.
Michael D: Dave H, What a thing!!! LDS maintains that this 'council of
the
gods' has resulted in the present scenario that allows man to be tested
and subsequently be able to attain godhood. This leads me to a couple
serious questions. According to LDS:
i) Which council led to the scenario where God the Father had to come
through His 'testing' as a man before He could 'become' omnipotent God.
ii) Which 'gods' were involved in that council?
iii) What councils determined the multitude of different scenarios where
all of the preceding generations of gods went through their testing and
qualified to be 'omnipotent gods'
iv) Who were on those councils?
DAVEH: Michael.....I appreciate your serious questions above, however,
I do not have complete answers for all your questions, and I do not wish
to give you partial answers here. I think discussing it in TT would only
incur the wrath of other TTers who would attempt to derail any serious
discussion.
jt: This is interesting. Do you think that Lucifer's plan would have
been the better one?
DAVEH: No, not at all. The Lord's plan of "salvation" was infinitely
better
than the Adversary's plan. (I could explain why, but some in TT would
accuse
me of preaching Mormonism, or even worse!) To me, the plan of salvation
as
enveloped in the gospel has a grand an noble purpose that requires all
the steps
we've/I've discussed (in TT since I've been posting), starting with Adam
& Eve
transgressing......which I believe was a fundamental step in that plan.
Without the 'fall',
there could be no 'salvation' (as I would think of it....which is
distinctly different from
\the Protestant definition). Hence, the Lord's work would not be able to
progress.
BTW......I realize my above explanation might seem convoluted and
difficult to follow
.....sorry 'bout that.
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