Dean Moore
Fear God and keep His commandments/ trust Jesus
> [Original Message]
> From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 1/9/2004 12:49:20 PM
> Subject: [TruthTalk] False Teachers
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> Hey there TruthTalkers.
>
> I'm way behind on keeping up with the e-mails. There are more than 100
> e-mails that are not read, so forgive me if I sound like I'm not reading
> everything. I know I won't be catching up today or anytime within the
> next few days. I'm heading out of town today to meet with some saints
> tonight, and tomorrow I'm going out of state for several days. I did
> want to raise one thing with Dean about the false teachers thread we
> have had.
>
> Dean, the doctrine about present day revelation being of God is
> something that I absolutely know to be true. I am as sure of it as I am
> that Jesus Christ rose again from the dead. I have personally had many
> of the same experiences that those in the Bible have had, and although I
> have not met with God face to face like Moses did, God has spoken to me
> with an audible voice from heaven. I don't share that often because
> people think I'm delusional or a cult leader, and some just think I'm
> trying to lift myself up above them. They don't know why God would
> speak to me that way and not to them. I don't know why either, so I
> just don't bring it up. Nevertheless, when a person has that kind of
> experience, it doesn't matter what people say. They can twist the Bible
> all they want to argue God won't do that, but it looks really foolish to
> someone who has already experienced it. The debate rages mainly among
> those who have never experienced it.
Dean writes:
David You are totally missing what I am saying. Yes God does speak to his
people today and forever-He loves us and asks us to speak to him .That we
call prayer-so why wouldn't he return the conversation? He has not openly
spoken to me but He has sent others to deliver his message. I only seem to
get the Devil openly speaking to me. He told me not to do again what I did
to the Satanist last year at Bel Chere in Asheville NC or he would kill
me.I am not worthy of having God openly speak to me. I have no problem with
God speaking to his prophets-what I do have a problem with is adding or
taking from Gods word. The Mormons are doing this. I do not and will not
take this lightly.
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> You might remember Terry's response about how the Holy Spirit revealed
> Christ to him. Someone can argue with him until they are blue in the
> face that he must have read the Bible and learned that way, or he heard
> people on the radio or television and it sank in that way, but if Terry
> knows exactly what happened to him, all their speculations mean
> absolutely nothing. Terry is the one who knows what happened and he is
> responsible to be true to God and himself concerning what happened. We
> should simply respect his testimony and accept it, not try and argue in
> a way that would be dismissive of it.
Dean writes:
I accept Terry's testimony as truth.
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> The following passage is helpful to consider in what I want to say next.
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> And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the
> LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto
> him in a dream. My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine
> house. With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in
> dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore
> then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses? (Numbers
> 12:6-8 KJV)
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> Now we all know that Moses was a prophet. Sometimes I think if I tell
> people that I am a prophet, they think that I'm trying to make myself
> out to be like Moses. Unfortunately, I am not a prophet like Moses at
> all. The revelations that I have had do not even compare to him, and
> the reason for it is probably because of the pride of life that is still
> in me. If I had that kind of revelation it would probably go to my
> head. In any case, the Lord in the passage above mentions a different
> kind of prophet, one to whom God speaks in a vision or a dream. This
> refers to revelation that is less direct, called "dark speeches" in the
> passage above. This happens regularly in my life and is much more
> descriptive of me. Now I do not say that I am a prophet because I have
> dreams and visions. Every believer can expect to have that. Rather,
> the Lord himself has revealed to me that being a prophet is my place in
> the body of Christ. This is just part of knowing myself, who I am, and
> what I am suppose to be doing in the body of Christ. Some are ears,
> some are noses, some are hands, etc., we each have a different function
> and it helps us to understand our function and the function of others so
> that we receive the diversity that God created in all of us. My being a
> prophet is simply a stewardship that God himself has given me. Whether
> or not anyone else understands it or agrees with it doesn't really
> matter. I have an obligation as a servant to be faithful to walk in
> that stewardship. I answer to God on judgment day for it, and I cannot
> deny what Jesus himself has said to me. To do so would be calling God a
> liar, and he cannot lie. In my mind, it is no different than someone
> who is a mechanic being expected to fix cars. This does not mean that
> others cannot fix cars too, but a mechanic who is not fixing cars is not
> really a mechanic. I hope you can understand what I'm trying to say.
Dean writes:
I consider 95% of the street preachers to be prophets David. And enjoy
their company-One cannot help but to love them-they are the
kindest-strongest men/women of God I have ever met. Truly men of God-and
that is coming from one who critical of others( Lord know I have reason to
be.) They are not prefect but they are true to God.
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> Anyway, the reason I am going through all this is not to prove that
> revelation continues to happen or that there are modern day prophets
> just as there were among the Christians of the New Testament. My point
> is to say that I KNOW these things to be true as clearly and truly as I
> know that Jesus Christ rose from the dead. I also am able to show from
> the Bible that this is true doctrine. So, given that I know these
> things, let's consider your approach about false teachers.
>
> We both agree that we should beware of false teachers, but you think
> that false teachers should be removed from the list. In particular, you
> and I both agree that there is false teaching in Mormonism. You reason
> that because of this, Mormons of the list should be removed, whereas I
> think they should simply be corrected by expressing the truth.
Dean writes: And if they refuse this correction and continuing corruption
God's word?
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> Well, now consider this doctrine of revelation. From my perspective,
> there are others on this list teaching false doctrine about this.
> Should I remove them also? For example, Gary and Kevin have spoken
> things that I know for a fact to be contrary to the Bible and contrary
> to the Holy Spirit. Do I kick them off the list just because they have
> become false teachers in this area? If you are tracking with me on
> this, you will see that soon I would become a policeman of thoughts and
> ideas, and I would be kicking most everyone off the list who embraced
> some form of false teaching that was detrimental to the Kingdom of God.
> This is not godly in my mind at all. It is unprofitable and smacks of
> everything unprofitable that we saw in Roman Catholicism concerning the
> Inquisition, and everything unprofitable in Calvinism concerning Geneva.
> I will not go there because I think it is important to learn from the
> mistakes of history. We also need to heed the Bible's teachings on this
> subject.
Dean writes: David as I told you before Kevin has the truth as his base-The
Jesus he knows is the Christ of the Bible. He teaches repentance toward
Heaven or hell. Kevin by no means a false teacher. The Mormon are the Jesus
they offer is not the Jesus of the Bible. Therefore they are false
teachers/prophets-both are the same.Here is the Bibles teachings in this
matter:
! Tim.6:3-6
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words,even the
words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according
to godliness;
4. He is proud knowing nothing,but doting about questions and strife of
words,whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmising,
5. Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth,
supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
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> Now I realize that this is a pragmatic approach here, but you must
> understand that I cannot prove a negative from the Scriptures. I can
> only say that the Scriptures do not instruct us to excommunicate false
> teachers. The Scriptures instruct us to excommunicate those who sin.
> The admonition about false teachers is "BEWARE" of false teachers. I am
> not aware of anywhere in Scripture where we are admonished to
> excommunicate false teachers. If you know of any, please share it.
Dean writes:
I have many time -but no one listens-One would think it was me talking
here-but it is God's words I use as a sword.
Consider the word "beware". Abraham used that same word in:
Genesis 24:6 Beware thou that thou bring not my son thither again.
Abraham servant took the word beware as serious-If the women whom was to
be Isaac's wife didn't come with him he was going to leave her rather the
ignore this warning. Beware does have a meaning David-and it does not mean
to ignore the word.
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> Also, please consider that perhaps you do not see as much false teaching
> as I do, so it might be harder for you to understand my reticence to cut
> off false teachers. Also, I have received the left foot of fellowship
> more than once because I was considered a false teacher concerning the
> gifts of the Holy Spirit. Having been hurt by those experiences, I am
> shy about treating others who are expressing different viewpoints in the
> same manner. I acknowledge that these are personal reasons that perhaps
> unfavorable influence me away from excommunicating false teachers. I
> mention it to be honest and open with you about my thoughts and my
> reasons for thinking like I do. Nevertheless, despite these personal
> reasons, I believe what the Bible says about rebuking and convincing
> false teachers through our speech rather than through the arm of force
> (excommunication).
Dean writes:
David I have no problem hearing others-But corruption of God word is
another matter- Correct them Yes- but do not stay in their presence for an
unlimited amount of time-this is dangerous as the bible says it is easier
for them to bring us down than it is for us to lift them up.
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> I hope you understand my perspective here a little bit better, and I
> welcome hearing your thoughts about what I have shared.
Dean writes:
But does anyone on this site really hear anything?
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> Peace be with you.
> David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida.
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