Here we have another example of Mormons using words to mean different things than Christians.
Dave, can you please answer these questions regarding the Mormon "heaven":
1. Aren't there three levels of heaven (a.k.a. kingdoms)?
2. What are the conditions for entering each of the three levels?
3. Will non-mormons ever enter the celestial (3rd) kingdom?
4. What is required of a Mormon to enter the celestial kingdom?
5. Which heaven will those such as Hitler enter?
Thanks, Perry
From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:44:15 -0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 1/14/2004 8:33:43 PM Central Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > LDS teachings are SHOCKING > > Dave H Do you agree that ONLY a Mormon can receive salvation? AND > That you can only be saved by joining a LDS Church? Laura
DAVEH: I've explained this before, and will be happy to explain it again. NO.....I don't believe one has to be LDS (a Mormon) to enter heaven. The mere fact that we practice baptism for the dead would imply that there are many people who will have the opportunity to accept baptism without having been a Mormon. (I hope that makes sense.) Also......the Church of Jesus Christ of LDS came into existence in 1830. Obviously, we believe people who lived before that time will have the opportunity of salvation (entering heaven).
Let me further explain......I believe nobody will enter heaven who has not been born again of both water and the HS. I also believe the water baptism needs be done by the proper authority of God (the priesthood). That priesthood authority has existed on the earth at times when the LDS Church did not. Hence....no, one does not necessarily need to be a 'Mormon' to enter heaven.
.........Now let me address your parallel post. +++++++++++++++++++
In a message dated 1/14/2004 8:28:43 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
According to LDS theology you must join the ONE TRUE Church There is NO salvation outside of that church 1 Ne. 14: 10
So according to LDS beliefs noone else can be saved unless they are Mormon? That seems kind of narrow to me. Laura +++++++++++++++++++ .......While it may seem "kind of narrow" to you, Laura, isn't the path to heaven "kind of narrow"? (Mt 7:14) The Bible tells us there is only one way to heaven, and that is through Jesus. Furthermore, he said that ONLY those who are born of water (baptism, IMO) and the Spirit will enter the kingdom of God (Jn 3:5).....To me, that seems rather narrow, does it not? IF my believe about born of water (being water baptism) is correct, as well as my belief that baptism need be done by proper authority, then it seems logical that a specific church could be the venue for where one could be properly baptized in one of his early steps on the path back to heaven.
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