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Blaine: Very interesting stuff Kevin, these
things are not usually made a big deal of in the Church, but those who do know
of them do not find them disconcerting--neither do I. Jesus cleaned
out the temple court twice, resorting to violence both times.
Sometimes you have to kick butt--its the only thing
some people appreciate. Besides, it just shows JS and Jesus
Christ were capable of acting under righteous indignation--an emotion a few
people I know have probably never experienced. Consider also that God has
wiped out entire populations of the wicked, as they incurred his wrath.
Mormon scriptures tell of Him destroying entire planets.
If JS kicked a few guys in the pants, they probably
deserved it and even could be said to have asked for it. He was a strong
personalitiy, capable of great deference and kindness, but also a human being,
who wasn't above matching his natural weapons with others in a fair
fight. He was, BTW, never known to be bested in a fun wrestling match,
which he often enjoyed doing with the "boys," as an adult. As a teenager,
before he ever became a religious leader, Newel Knight, a
boyhood friend, wrote of him, "In all of his boyish sports and
amusements, I never knew anyone to gain the advantage over him and yet he was
always kind and kept the good will of all of his playmates." (Stand By
My Servant Joseph, pg 12, by William
G. Hartley)
But Hey! If you want
violence, try reading about the bigoted mobs that were constantly attacking
Mormons, their houses, their barns, etc. burning, raping, pillaging,
shooting children, forcing people by the tens of thousands from their warm
homes in the middle of the winter, many of whom then died from exposure and
subsequent disease. Read especially about the Haun's Mill Massacre wherein
17 men, women and children were virtually slaughtered by a mob of Missourians,
many others maimed. During the melee, two young boys were caught,
and despite pleading for their lives, were shot down like dogs, with bullets
through the head. Gee, Joseph Smith kicked some guys in the butt?
tch, tch. I would have been tempted to go after the SOBs with a sharp
razor, if that was all I had. Or a sledge hammer to their kneecaps!
Here is a Mormon Missionary humorous
prayer:
May those who love us, love
us.
And may those who don't
love us
Have their hearts turned,
So that they will love
us--
And if their hearts cannot be turned,
May they turn their
ankles,
So that we may know them by their
LIMPING.
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 7:14
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]LDS a Violent
people Just like JOe
http://devel.harktheherald.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=7604
http://devel.harktheherald.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=4898
Escalation
likely at next LDS Conference
"Violence is virtually assured" against
SP's
Seeing as they know this people, are most assuredly Violent!
Talk
about inflammatory language meant to incite the LDS people, that is the point
of this whole article.
VIOLENT PEOPLE
If the people will let us alone we will
preach the gospel in peace. But if they come on to molest
us, we will establish our religion by the sword.
We will trample down our enemies and make it one gore of
blood from the Rocky Mountains to the Atlantic Ocean. I will be
to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was
"the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword." So shall it eventually be with us --
"Joseph Smith or the Sword!" Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History p.
230�231
Afadavit of Thomas B. Marsh, President of the Quorum of the
Twelve
The Prophet inculcates the notion, and it is believed by
every true Mormon, that Smith's prophecies are superior to the laws of the
land. I have heard the Prophet say that he would yet tread down his enemies,
and walk over their dead bodies; and if he was not let alone, he would be a
second Mohammed to this generation, and that he would make it one gore of
blood from the Rocky mountains to the Atlantic ocean; that like Mohammed,
whose motto in treating for peace was, 'the Alcoran or the Sword.' So should
it be eventually with us, 'Joseph Smith or the Sword.' These
last statements were made during the last summer. The number of armed men at
Adam-ondi-Ahman was between three and four hundred" History of the Church
3:167
VIOLENT JOE KICKS OUT HOUSE - KICKS ACROSS YARD - KICKS INTO
STREET
"Josiah Butterfield came to my house and insulted me so
outrageously that I kicked him out of the house, across the yard, and into the
street." HoC V5 p316
Joe gets into a fight with a Tax collector
"Bagby
called me al liar, and picked up a stone to throw at me, which so enraged me
that I followed him a few steps, and struck him two or three times. Esquire
Dan H Wells stepped between us and succeeded in separating us" HoC v5
p524
Joe further elaborates
"I siezed him by the throat to choke him
off" HoC v5 p531
BOXED EARS
http://www.boap.org/LDS/Early-Saints/LUJohnson.html
"A
Baptist Clergyman from the state of New York, who had been acquainted with the
Prophet Joseph in his early life, called upon him and staid [stayed] all
night. Joseph made the minister welcome, and treated him hospitably and
respectfully; but, when breakfast was over next morning, he called Joseph a
hypocrite, a liar, an imposter and a false prophet, and called upon him to
repent. Joseph boxed his ears with both hands, and, turning his face towards
the door, kicked him into the street. He immediately went before a magistrate,
and swore out a writ against Joseph for assault and battery." Luke Johnson
Autobiography (1807-1838) "History of Luke Johnson [by himself]," The
Latter-day Saints' Millennial Star 26 (1864):834-36; 27 (1865):5-7.
SOUNDLY THRASHED his brother
http://www.boap.org/LDS/Early-Saints/BFJohnson.html
"he
would allow no arrogance or undue liberties, and criticism,
even by his associates, was rarely acceptable, and contradiction would rouse
in him the lion at once, for by no one of his fellows would he be superseded
or disputed and in the early days at Kirtland, and elsewhere one or more of
his associates were more than once, for their impudence, helped from
the congregation by his (Joseph's) foot, and at one time at a meeting
at Kirtland, for insolence to him, he soundly thrashed his
brother William who boasted himself as invincible." Benjamin F. Johnson, My
Life's Review (Independence, Missouri: Zion's Printing and Publishing Co.,
1947), pp. 7-107.
In the past, the Mormon "Wasp" called the assasination attempt of Gov Boggs
a "noble deed"
What a NOBLE PEACE LOVING PEOPLE!
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