----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 7:24
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] suffering
ego
> I met a lady in Utah that told me she was the
eighth great-grandchild of
> Brigham Young. I said, "What's so special about that? Half the women in the
> state can make that claim!" (Rim-shot).
> Brigham Young. I said, "What's so special about that? Half the women in the
> state can make that claim!" (Rim-shot).
Blaine: Nice
try! (:>) But, it is rarer than you would think.
Consider that when the Mormon migration to Utah was slowing down in the late
1800's, there must have been around 40,000+ people who had "gathered" to
Utah. That would have to be a huge gene pool. In
practice, I seldom meet anyone who is actually a descendant of Brigham
Young.
>
> >From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] suffering ego
> >Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 05:35:15 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >Blaine: The last time I looked on the Ancestral File, all of Brigham's
> >wives were of child-bearing age when he married them, and none were less
> >than 16 yrs old, which is the legal age of consent in Utah, and in most
> >if not all other states. Most of the women were in their late 20's. A few
> >were older than 40. The Ancestral File is open to public scrutiny at
> >www.familysearch.org
> >Thats funny if you look in the Church published Teachings of the Presidents
> >of the Church: Brigham Young They paint him as a 20th Century Mormon who
> >was a MONOGAMIST
> >
> >In a AP story April 4, 1998
> >A woman was puzzled and confused by the fact that the manual painted young
> >as a Monogamist
> >
> >"The Mormon church is trying to say to the new people coming into the
> >church, as well as to the larger American society, that there was nothing
> >questionable in the Mormon past," Avery told the woman. "And if you want
> >answers to these kinds of sticky questions, you're not going to find them
> >inside accepted Mormon manuals and doctrines."
> >
> >In addition quotes have been altered for Modern consumption
> >
> >http://www.lds-mormon.com/byoung.shtml
> >
> >Blaine Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Blaine: The last time I looked on the Ancestral File, all of Brigham's
> >wives were of child-bearing age when he married them, and none were less
> >than 16 yrs old, which is the legal age of consent in Utah, and in most
> >if not all other states. Most of the women were in their late 20's. A few
> >were older than 40. The Ancestral File is open to public scrutiny at
> >www.familysearch.org
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Kevin Deegan
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:15 AM
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] suffering ego
> >
> >
> >What is the RELIGIOUS significance of OLD MEN with young GIRLS?
> >He was an LDS APOSTLE.
> >Why do all the LDS Polygamists (Joe, Brigham etc.) like their GIRLS younger
> >& younger as the MEN get older?
> >They were Child ABUSERS.
> >
> >Blaine Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Blaine" I was wondering about that marriage to a 16 yr old, and I said,
> >"Why, he ought to be hung!! Someone standing nearbye overheard me say
> >that, and replied, "Oh, he must be for sure!" LOL
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Kevin Deegan
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 9:29 PM
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] suffering ego
> >
> >
> >Not mad just think you should stop playing both sides.
> >
> >Polygamy is an excuse for Abuse of women
> >What is the religious significance of old men marrying young girls?
> >At the age of 57 Orson Pratt was fixing to marry a 16 year old, who became
> >his 10th wife on 28 December 1868.
> >
> >http://historytogo.utah.gov/hmmarrydiff.html
> >Apostle Wilford Woodruff complained "there is hardly a girl 14 years old in
> >Utah but what is married, or just going to be." JH 1 April 1857
> >
> >Plural marriage in early Utah, included "the grossest of incest-the
> >intermarriage of near relations." Cook Face to Face with Mormonism p 10-11
> >
> >BLESSINGS OF POLYGAMY
> >Cannon wrote Of his wife, "she considered herself in disgrace every day
> >that she lived with me in polygamy, and she would as soon be a prostitute
> >as a plural wife." Abraham H. Cannon Diaries, 12:215-16, 8 July 1890
> >
> >Heber J Grant was convicted in 1899 this is the historical fact. In
> >addition he fled the US to avoid another conviction in 1903
> >A number of general Authorities were convicted of UNLAWFUL COHABITATION
> >AFTER the manifesto.
> >
> >It was unlawful to have more than one wife so "UNLAWFUL COHABITATION"
> >as they say today "living together" the biblical term is ADULTERY &
> >FORNICATION
> >
> >President Joseph F Smith had 5 wives that bore him ELEVEN children after
> >1890! (Testimony Reed Smoot)
> >
> >Brigham H Roberts First Council of Seventy, Served four months in prison
> >for UNLAWFUL COHABITATION, 1889
> >
> >SL Trib article 2001
> >http://www.polygamyinfo.com/plygmedia%2001%20111trib.htm
> >It turned out that proving polygamous marriage back then
> >was almost impossible. Rather than enforce the Morrill Act, which made
> >bigamy punishable by a $500 fine and up to 5 years in prison, federal
> >prosecutors used a Utah law banning "lewd and lascivious cohabitation."
> >This statute carried a sentence of 6 months and was the punishment handed
> >out to most pioneer polygamists. Apostle Lorenzo Snow served 11 months.
> >Rudger Clawson, later an
> >apostle, was sentenced to 4 years for multiple offenses.
> >These 2 church leaders turned down a FULL pardon. They must have enjoyed
> >the sin too much.
> >http://www.polygamyinfo.com/Harrision-proclaimation.htm
> >Now, therefore, I Benjamin Harrison, President of the United States, by
> >virtue of the powers vested, do hereby declare and grant a full amnesty and
> >pardon to all persons liable to the penalties of said act by reason of
> >unlawful cohabitation under the color of polygamous or plural marriage who
> >have since November 1, 1890,
> >abstained from such unlawful cohabitation, but upon the express condition
> >that they shall in the future faithfully obey the laws of the United States
> >herein before named, and not otherwise. Those who shall fail to avail
> >themselves of the clemency hereby offered will be vigorously prosecuted.
> >
> >
> >
> >Blaine Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Blaine: Are you mad about that? You sound like you were planning to get
> >yourself some extra women, like that red-headed Dude who got sent to the
> >Point of the Mountain (State Pen) awhile back, and are therefore defending
> >the principle of plural marriage. ????
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Kevin Deegan
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:29 PM
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] suffering ego
> >
> >
> >It does NOT NULLIFY the PRINCIPLE
> >
> >Blaine Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Blaine: The Manifesto is
> >complete, having the revelation to rescind
> >polygamy, and is in the back of the Doctrine and Covenants of the LDS
> >Church. It is too long to quote, so please just look it up.
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Charles Perry Locke"
> >To:
> >Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 12:29 AM
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] suffering ego
> >
> >
> > > >From: "Blaine Borrowman"
> > > > God commanded polygamy to be started, for good reasons-- but later
> > > >rescinded it for good reasons.
> > >
> > > Please quote the LDS work that indicates that God rescinded polygamy.
> > >
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> >From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] suffering ego
> >Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 05:35:15 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >Blaine: The last time I looked on the Ancestral File, all of Brigham's
> >wives were of child-bearing age when he married them, and none were less
> >than 16 yrs old, which is the legal age of consent in Utah, and in most
> >if not all other states. Most of the women were in their late 20's. A few
> >were older than 40. The Ancestral File is open to public scrutiny at
> >www.familysearch.org
> >Thats funny if you look in the Church published Teachings of the Presidents
> >of the Church: Brigham Young They paint him as a 20th Century Mormon who
> >was a MONOGAMIST
> >
> >In a AP story April 4, 1998
> >A woman was puzzled and confused by the fact that the manual painted young
> >as a Monogamist
> >
> >"The Mormon church is trying to say to the new people coming into the
> >church, as well as to the larger American society, that there was nothing
> >questionable in the Mormon past," Avery told the woman. "And if you want
> >answers to these kinds of sticky questions, you're not going to find them
> >inside accepted Mormon manuals and doctrines."
> >
> >In addition quotes have been altered for Modern consumption
> >
> >http://www.lds-mormon.com/byoung.shtml
> >
> >Blaine Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Blaine: The last time I looked on the Ancestral File, all of Brigham's
> >wives were of child-bearing age when he married them, and none were less
> >than 16 yrs old, which is the legal age of consent in Utah, and in most
> >if not all other states. Most of the women were in their late 20's. A few
> >were older than 40. The Ancestral File is open to public scrutiny at
> >www.familysearch.org
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Kevin Deegan
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:15 AM
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] suffering ego
> >
> >
> >What is the RELIGIOUS significance of OLD MEN with young GIRLS?
> >He was an LDS APOSTLE.
> >Why do all the LDS Polygamists (Joe, Brigham etc.) like their GIRLS younger
> >& younger as the MEN get older?
> >They were Child ABUSERS.
> >
> >Blaine Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Blaine" I was wondering about that marriage to a 16 yr old, and I said,
> >"Why, he ought to be hung!! Someone standing nearbye overheard me say
> >that, and replied, "Oh, he must be for sure!" LOL
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Kevin Deegan
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 9:29 PM
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] suffering ego
> >
> >
> >Not mad just think you should stop playing both sides.
> >
> >Polygamy is an excuse for Abuse of women
> >What is the religious significance of old men marrying young girls?
> >At the age of 57 Orson Pratt was fixing to marry a 16 year old, who became
> >his 10th wife on 28 December 1868.
> >
> >http://historytogo.utah.gov/hmmarrydiff.html
> >Apostle Wilford Woodruff complained "there is hardly a girl 14 years old in
> >Utah but what is married, or just going to be." JH 1 April 1857
> >
> >Plural marriage in early Utah, included "the grossest of incest-the
> >intermarriage of near relations." Cook Face to Face with Mormonism p 10-11
> >
> >BLESSINGS OF POLYGAMY
> >Cannon wrote Of his wife, "she considered herself in disgrace every day
> >that she lived with me in polygamy, and she would as soon be a prostitute
> >as a plural wife." Abraham H. Cannon Diaries, 12:215-16, 8 July 1890
> >
> >Heber J Grant was convicted in 1899 this is the historical fact. In
> >addition he fled the US to avoid another conviction in 1903
> >A number of general Authorities were convicted of UNLAWFUL COHABITATION
> >AFTER the manifesto.
> >
> >It was unlawful to have more than one wife so "UNLAWFUL COHABITATION"
> >as they say today "living together" the biblical term is ADULTERY &
> >FORNICATION
> >
> >President Joseph F Smith had 5 wives that bore him ELEVEN children after
> >1890! (Testimony Reed Smoot)
> >
> >Brigham H Roberts First Council of Seventy, Served four months in prison
> >for UNLAWFUL COHABITATION, 1889
> >
> >SL Trib article 2001
> >http://www.polygamyinfo.com/plygmedia%2001%20111trib.htm
> >It turned out that proving polygamous marriage back then
> >was almost impossible. Rather than enforce the Morrill Act, which made
> >bigamy punishable by a $500 fine and up to 5 years in prison, federal
> >prosecutors used a Utah law banning "lewd and lascivious cohabitation."
> >This statute carried a sentence of 6 months and was the punishment handed
> >out to most pioneer polygamists. Apostle Lorenzo Snow served 11 months.
> >Rudger Clawson, later an
> >apostle, was sentenced to 4 years for multiple offenses.
> >These 2 church leaders turned down a FULL pardon. They must have enjoyed
> >the sin too much.
> >http://www.polygamyinfo.com/Harrision-proclaimation.htm
> >Now, therefore, I Benjamin Harrison, President of the United States, by
> >virtue of the powers vested, do hereby declare and grant a full amnesty and
> >pardon to all persons liable to the penalties of said act by reason of
> >unlawful cohabitation under the color of polygamous or plural marriage who
> >have since November 1, 1890,
> >abstained from such unlawful cohabitation, but upon the express condition
> >that they shall in the future faithfully obey the laws of the United States
> >herein before named, and not otherwise. Those who shall fail to avail
> >themselves of the clemency hereby offered will be vigorously prosecuted.
> >
> >
> >
> >Blaine Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Blaine: Are you mad about that? You sound like you were planning to get
> >yourself some extra women, like that red-headed Dude who got sent to the
> >Point of the Mountain (State Pen) awhile back, and are therefore defending
> >the principle of plural marriage. ????
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Kevin Deegan
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:29 PM
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] suffering ego
> >
> >
> >It does NOT NULLIFY the PRINCIPLE
> >
> >Blaine Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Blaine: The Manifesto is
> >complete, having the revelation to rescind
> >polygamy, and is in the back of the Doctrine and Covenants of the LDS
> >Church. It is too long to quote, so please just look it up.
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Charles Perry Locke"
> >To:
> >Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 12:29 AM
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] suffering ego
> >
> >
> > > >From: "Blaine Borrowman"
> > > > God commanded polygamy to be started, for good reasons-- but later
> > > >rescinded it for good reasons.
> > >
> > > Please quote the LDS work that indicates that God rescinded polygamy.
> > >
> > > _________________________________________________________________
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> > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
> >know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)
> >http://www.InnGlory.org
> > >
> > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to
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> >
> >----------
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> >know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)
> >http://www.InnGlory.org
> >
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