That is about it for now. It would be neat of you guys answeredDAVEH: I have not yet seen Blaines response. I could send this to you privately, but as you know, it would be easy to cheat with a BCC to Blaine. So......I'll just put a flag at the top to catch Blaines attention and trust he will not read my reply until after he responds.
independently and without reading each others response, if you can.
DAVEH: Note to Blaine.......Please stop reading below this point until AFTER you respond (if you wish) to Perry's questions.
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Charles Perry Locke wrote:
DavidH and Blaine (and any other LDS that may be lurking on TT),DAVEH: I can't speak for Blaine, but I assure you I'm not an LDS scholar. And, in the LDS realm, I'm pretty far down the totem pole of scholarship. Blaine, being a retired teacher, is much more likely to meet your needs in the scholarship field, Perry.I have some questions on which I would like the LDS view. I am not asking
in order to form an argument, but to understand some questions that I cannot
answer from what little I know about LDS concept spirit beings and
"pre-human" existence. I am hoping that you LDS scholars
have some answersDAVEH: LOL.......Forgive me for having a chuckle over that, Perry. I've had several non LDS folks presume our Bishops are of the scholarly bent. While there may be some somewhere who meet that criteria, I've never met them. If anything, I'd say Bishops as a whole are probably on the low end of the scholarship scale. Blaine may disagree with my assessment on that though......Blaine, what say ye???
for me.Also, I am hoping that you will answer from your own understanding, but
if you do not know feel free to consult your bishop
or other knowledgableDAVEH: These will be my answers.
LDS acquaintances or family members...but please point out if it is your
answer or someone elses.
------------------------DAVEH: Maybe.....maybe not. It is pure speculation on my part, but I don't know that it is necessary for God to be sealed to more than one wife.1. A Mormon god, who is an exalted man and has a body of flesh and bones, at
some point in his eternal progression has one or more wives, (probably many,
maybe hundreds or thousands) through whom he has produced spirit children.a. Do I have this right?
b. Are his wives spirit or flesh and bones?DAVEH: I would assume so.
c. If flesh and bones, then how do flesh and bones parents produce spiritDAVEH: I don't know, but if I were to speculate, I would think that since they (our Heavenly Father and Mother) are also composed spirit material, it should not be difficult.
children?
d. How is this reconciled with John 3:6?DAVEH: See my last comment. However, I think you took vs 6 out of context, Perry. I see no relationship to what Jesus was conveying there and the spiritual creation.
2. When a child is born to human parents, one of these spirits is sent intoDAVEH: Yes, that is as I understand it.
the child.a. Do I have this right?
b. At what point does the spirit enter the child?DAVEH: We (LDS) know that Jesus visited Nephi (son of Helaman) the day before his birth (3Ne 1:13), so I assume that his spirit entered his baby body after that, perhaps at the time of his birth. But that is speculation on my part.
c. How does the god decide which spirit is to enter which human child?DAVEH: Again, it is speculation on my part, but based on accounts I've read it seems that there are family associations formed in the pre-mortal existence. Whether it is decided by God or not, I do not know. But at this point, I don't know that it necessarily needs to be decided by him.
(I ask because I am wondering what could the god to send a particular spiritDAVEH: It is believed by many LDS that the importance of gaining a mortal life experience so far overshadows the misery that some may face here, that we accept that burden/risk willingly.
into a child that he knows will be raped, tortured and killed, or into one
who will be in abject poverty and starve to death, v. into one who will be
the priviledged child of a wealthy family living high on the east side.)
d. if a child dies immediately after the spirit has entered it, does thisDAVEH: ??? I'm not sure what you are asking, Perry. In the child's birth process, if a physical body is united with his spirit, that is all that is necessary. We do not believe in reincarnation. Does that answer the question, Perry?
spirit get a second chance, or does he have to go to the end of the line?
3. The pupose of having spirits enter a human body is to learn to overcomeDAVEH: I don't recall Blaine saying such, but he may have. IF he were to say that is the only reason for gaining a physical body, I would have to disagree. Just the way you quoted Blaine on this sounds screwy though......."learn to overcome their sin", so I suspect you may have either misunderstood him or misquoted him.
their sin (I think I recall Blaine saying something like this).
a. Do I have that right?DAVEH: I should have read further before responding.... :-)
b. I seem to recall that Blaine said that some spirits will not get aDAVEH: One third of the hosts of heaven were given the boot. None will inherit a physical body.
chance to enter a human body. Is that right?
c. What happens to those spirits that will not get a chance to enter aDAVEH: They were followers of Lucifer and were booted out of heaven. They will exist in hell (LDS definition---so far from the Lord, the light of Christ will not shine there, even dimly) and not have the opportunity to progress eternally.
human and overcome sin?
Are they on the same footing, and do they have theDAVEH: No.....they will not have the same opportunities. Their eternal progression has been damned (LDS definition---stopped).
same opportunities that a spirit that entered a human body has?
------------------------------------DAVEH: I have not yet seen Blaines response. I could send this to you privately, but as you know, it would be easy to cheat with a BCC to Blaine. So......I'll just put a flag at the top to catch Blaines attention and trust he will not read my reply until after he responds.That is about it for now. It would be neat of you guys answered
independently and without reading each others response, if you can.
Can youDAVEH: You are welcome, Perry.
do that? If you are busy feel free to take the time you need to do it...my
term paper is not due for two weeks (LOL). Just joking. There is no term
paper.Thanks,
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